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Author:  Eruraina [ October 8th, 2007, 11:46 am ]
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Now I have another question! lol! I've heard in many places, even the books at some point or other, that Elrond is called "Half-elven"... when I'm pretty sure Elrond is a full blood elf... any explination for that? lol.
Author:  Elenthari [ October 8th, 2007, 11:54 am ]
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No,Elrond is Half-Elf because both his parents were Half-Elven.
His father Earendil was son of Tuor,son of Huor, and Idril,daughter of Turgon, King of Gondolin.
His mother,Elwing,was daughter of Nimloth(An Elf-maid of Doriath) and Dior(son of Luthien and Beren)
So Elrond isn't entirely Half-elven:
Encyclopedia of Arda wrote:
He could claim descent from all the main branches of the Eldar, each of the Three Houses of the Edain, and even from the Maiar

I think that the family tree of Elrond is quite interesting.He 'combines' so many races.
Author:  Eruraina [ October 8th, 2007, 12:00 pm ]
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Oh, okay, got it! lol! Thanks!
Author:  Anameleth [ October 8th, 2007, 5:01 pm ]
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Actually, I think they call Elrond Half-Elven because he had the choice between mortality and immortality. He and his brother (can't remember his name right now) were given this choice. Elrond chose the life of the elves, while his brother chose a mortal life among the numenoreans. But he and his line were blessed with a long life, longer than most men (this is also why Aragorn lives so long). Elrond's children (and possibly also his brother's) were also given this choice, and this is why Arwen can "chose a mortal life".
I may be wrong, but I think this is why Elrond is called Half-Elven.

Eru - you should read Silmarillion! It gives answers to a lot of these questions ;)
Author:  Elenthari [ October 9th, 2007, 1:24 pm ]
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Wait,wait,wait.To receive the right to choose mortal or immortal life you had to be a child of Elf and Man,am I right?
Author:  Aerandir [ October 9th, 2007, 2:34 pm ]
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Yay! I remember that topic, Aerlinniel. :D
Author:  Elenthari [ October 9th, 2007, 2:39 pm ]
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Aerlinniel ó Eressëa wrote:
Well, yes, technically speaking. But there's a bit of a discussion going on about the "choice" thing, btw. (which genes were dominant and such)

Or at least, there was a discussion, and I'm trying to revive it, since it wasn't quite solved...*shameless topic-promoting* :innocent:

http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/forum/vie ... hp?t=14905

Don't mind the first posts - that's just kind of what got the whole discussion started. :P


Thanks for the linky siss!:hug: *goes reading*
It seems that the German classes had a good affection on me today :lol:
*is in discussion mood*
Author:  Elenthari [ October 9th, 2007, 2:45 pm ]
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Aerlinniel ó Eressëa wrote:
And German is evil, don't ever doubt that. :blink:

*cough*Howcouldyousaythat!*cough*
German isn't evil.It's..just hard to learn that's all!
And as I told you our teacher is COOL! :P
sorry for the off-topic
Author:  Eruraina [ October 9th, 2007, 7:56 pm ]
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Anameleth wrote:
Eru - you should read Silmarillion! It gives answers to a lot of these questions ;)


I'll read the Silmarillion after I read Children of Hurin, and Unfinished tales(both of which I'm borrowing from friends). I own the Sil, so will read it when I'm done reading those two. :)
Author:  Aerandir [ October 10th, 2007, 7:56 am ]
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Actually, Eruraina, it might be better for you to read The Silmarillion before the other two, because it covers a lot more stuff, but it also gives you some background before you go into all of the more detailed stories.

And btw, Elenthari--I didn't think German was hard to learn (a lot of English words come from it, after all), but it was boring. Which makes it bad, for now. :P
Author:  Aerandir [ October 10th, 2007, 11:51 am ]
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Hmm....I would think it would be somewhat confusing to read the specifics first and then the generalized version....but most people's minds don't work nearly the same way as mine does.

How did you manage to read them in that order, Aerlinniel? That looks...weird. UT before FotR, even? O_O
Author:  Eruraina [ October 10th, 2007, 1:11 pm ]
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I read TP's two quartets 'The circle opens' and 'Cirle of magic' way out of cronilogical(sp?) order and still understood what really went where and didn't get confuzzled! lol!

If I can handle that and a few other series of read out of order... I think I can handle UT and CoH before the Sill.

!lol ...dnim egnarts dna dreiw a evah I
Author:  Eruraina [ October 10th, 2007, 1:24 pm ]
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you know... I think I'll put that in my sig! lol!

Anyway... I guess Elrond is a very complicated character in Lord of the Rings. Would he be the most complicated... I guess I'll have to wait till I read the rest of FotR and then read TTT and RotK before I find out (yes, I haven't even finnished reading FotR once yet, nor have started reading TTT and RotK)

And I'm in the middle of reading FotR, and another book and VotDT(CoN) I can read multiple books at one time and not get confuzzled! yay me!
Author:  Anameleth [ October 10th, 2007, 7:10 pm ]
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Elenthari wrote:
Wait,wait,wait.To receive the right to choose mortal or immortal life you had to be a child of Elf and Man,am I right?


I realise tons of things have been posted after this, but I just had to get back to your question :innocent:

The things is, I dont think you had to be a child of Elf and Man to be able to choose between mortal and immortal life... I mean, I'm not sure if those who actually had elf/human parents could choose, but as far as I've understood the story, only Elrond and his brother, and their decendants could choose. And Elrond married an Elf, but his children still had the choice, remember?
So my conclusion is that I'm not sure whether children of an elf and a human could choose, but I think it was only Elrond's children and his brother's children... btw; can someone remind me of his brother's name? It's driving me crazy that I can't remember it >..< (ooh, nostrils :P)
Author:  Aerandir [ October 11th, 2007, 1:25 am ]
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Elrond's brother was Elros, the first of the Númenóreans.

That's a good point, Anameleth--all instances of choice were in the line of Elrond. I'm going to speculate and say that it was because of the deeds of Eärendil.
Author:  Anameleth [ October 11th, 2007, 9:10 am ]
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thank you, aerandir! :D that's been bugging me for ages - I keep thinking elladan, even though I know that's his son and not his brother.
oh, and I agree that the deeds of Eärendil has something to do with why these two lines had the choice. I think it says something about it in Silmarillion, though *wishes she had the book around*
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