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PostPosted: September 5th, 2007, 11:17 am 
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Finally!
Thank you for letting us know that!
I see where you're coming from with that Aerandir - but do you think that's entirely fair?
Hobbits are humble folk - it may seem as though they take things for granted sometimes, but perhaps their lack of knowledge is the reason for this. They simply see that The Shire is theirs and therefore do not feel the need to delve into the business of other parts of Middle Earth. I think that they are entitled to feel this way don't you?

What do you see different from the traits of a travelling Hobbit and an ordinary Hobbit?

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:blink: That's almost exactly what I said on the last page, and you had the post right after mine in reply there, FG. :P

Ah, their lack of knowledge, though, is something that's easily changed. However, they don't change it. Not only is their mindset focused on them, they don't even bother themselves with what's going on outside of their little land.

The differences between the Travelling Hobbits and the average hobbits are that the Travelling ones have broader mindsets--they know about the sacrifices that are made for the sake of their little land, and the constant warring and lack of peace in the Big World, and they actually involve themselves in it. The average hobbits take the security of their little land for granted, discounting tales of war as merely tales, and generally only doing things for other hobbits, as opposed to those who need it most. It's really, really frustrating to me, though I don't expect anyone else to really understand that, especially after four pages of me saying just about the same thing and everyone else continuing to say that they can't understand how someone can dislike hobbits. :annoyed2:

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Well they do hear stories about what's happening outside of the Shire, but they pay no attenion. I think the reason for this is because, even though they have heard those stories, the danger doesn't seem to be coming into the Shire, so why should they believe it? If people always talk about the danger that is coming yet it never comes who would believe them?

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Eek! Sorry about that Aerandir ! :)
Yeah - I do see you have a good point there Aerandir. They do tend to take things for granted - I'm with you on that one. I just think that they have their reasons for that. They discard war stories as tales - perhaps because the prospect of such occurences worry them. I think that they believe that there is no need to meddle with the past - or with events that occur outside of The Shire even if it does happen to involve them. They are quite Naive folk - but then, so are we to an extent. It's as though they feel if it doesn't effect them accutley - then there happens to be no point in worrying at all.

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Like I said--I don't think any of you guys will really fully understand or agree with me on this--I think that the hobbits should be concerned with what's going on outside the Shire, but they aren't. You guys rationalize their apathy and ignorance, but I don't really see a point in doing that. I just don't really like hobbits.

That happens to be why I've always somewhat hoped that after the Dúnedain stopped guarding them, etc., the Shire was like overrun with Orcs or Wights or something, and the hobbits either were exterminated or got their much-needed-slap-from-reality. :P

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Aw No ! That's mean :( I think that Hobbits would be better off knowing that a world does exist outside of The Shire - I agree on that one. But a Middle-Earth with out Hobbits would be no Middle-Earth at all. Ha ! In fact that's literal. No Frodo, No Middle-Earth.
Yeah - Hobbits Rule.

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Well, technically, without Frodo, there would still be a Middle-earth, but simply one with some serious tyrant issues.

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Ha - But no Middle Earth as we know it. A world of Beauty and Splendour.
So that's only part of the reason I love Hobbits (:

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Well, they were made around the same time, actually--that was around the time that some people realized that I disliked hobbits.

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:o No way !
Of course it became a world of beauty and all that jazz !
As soon as the ring was destroyed there was no other way in which Sauron's powers could rise again - and therefore neither could Morgoth's. The time for the diminion of men was at hand and I'm pretty sure Aragorn would have ensured that no evil would come back to Middle Earth :)

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Well, Morgoth isn't really the direct source of all evil. By the time of Sauron's defeat, there would've been other 'evil' beings and causes in Middle-earth that would keep Aragorn's hands full, plus, Aragorn hardly lived forever.

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Well yeah, but I assume his son would have acquired his father's characteristics. Beings like what/who?

I think that the Hobbits did enough for Middle-Earth. Perhaps too much. Look what it did to poor Frodo :(

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Yes, but how long could their ideals be upheld? I think that eventually, the ideals would be corrupted or lost.

Um, Sauron and Morgoth were far from the only 'evil' things in Middle-earth, but they corrupted quite a few men, and their dominion encompassed quite a lot.

Among the Haradrim and the men of Rhûn, for instance, I'm sure that there were a lot of 'evil' people, or potentially 'evil' people. Likewise, I'm sure that there were those among the men in Arnor, Gondor, Rohan, and Dale who were 'evil' or potentially 'evil'. Just because the cause is gone, the effect doesn't necessarily leave as well--it lingers on.

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Hmmm...I suppose so but I'm still convinced nothing would ever match the threat of the ring and I've seen no evidence of any writings about this either...:)

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Oh, well, I didn't say anything would match the threat of the Ring, but I'm sure that there would be threats and problems to deal with. I am 100% certain that Middle-earth still had quite a few threats and problems after that, though, until the Dagor Dagorath, none comparing with the Ring.

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He did? How did you know that? :bounce:

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