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Was Boromir weak?
Poll ended at September 6th, 2008, 5:57 pm
He was weak. No question. But he was there at his father's bidding. Give the guy some credit! 36%  36%  [ 30 ]
I don't think he was weak. I think he was strong. 59%  59%  [ 49 ]
He was terribly weak! I mean, c'mon! You didn't see anyone else trying to grab the ring every second they had a chance! 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
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PostPosted: June 4th, 2006, 2:08 pm 
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And a really good one as well! I never thought of Boromir this way... :confused2:

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its very interesting .. nice to hear others' points of view .. that one is by far the most intereesting one i've read

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 Post subject: Trying to understand....
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I am still thinking through these things...trying to understand. I know that often even the author didn't understand completely. Authors write to understand. That is what is so cool about the process of reading....we enter into uncharted discovering in an ongoing process with the author.

Boromir is definitely a very intriguing character along with the rest of his family....

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yeah they are pretty unique ... ahh btw ... nice name, Sinbearer ;)

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Thanks! There are a lot of cool names in here.

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 Post subject: Re: Boromir's masculine soul....
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Sinbearer wrote:
Some of Boromir's weakness and the reason he acted the way he did I believe have to do with him being male.

I had two little boys (and was also a little boy) and, as anyone who has had little boys, I know that they are up for adventure, danger, being powerful/aggressive……these things are a part of the masculine design from birth, they are hardwired for it.

You don’t have to live on this planet long to realize that girls are not like that. Just lead a youth group for a while!

You don’t have to tell a boy to explore, build or conquer because that is his built in purpose. So I feel the motives of every male in the cast of LotR would be effected by this on some level. But just because all males are the same in gender doesn’t mean they are the same in strengths, weaknesses, interests, ability, etc. (Conquering in battle is much different than conquering a difficult composition of music…) That leaves for a very wide masculine response to the Ring throughout the books depending on the character.

So I think we could say that Boromir's desire to use the Ring comes partly from his masculine soul. Like Vikingmaiden has brought up in another forum on Boromir, as a man he wants to be recognized for doing something great, he wants the affirmation of comrades. He wants to conquer and win. (Just like all little boys!)

It is true, Galadriel struggled with the ring too but from my experience and understanding I would say that it was for different reasons. If you read it, it is more about her being beautiful and fair beyond comparison, where she finishes with, “All shall love me and despair!”
Not quite what you would expect Boromir to ever say!

And so instead of putting all the blame on Boromir’s pride and other weaknesses I think we should seek to understand him in some way also through the perspective of his masculinity.


Very, Very nicely put! :hug:
It is the truth more than half of the time, too. Reading this reminds me of me too. Like you said "they are up for adventure, danger, being powerful/aggressive." I'm female but, I think I hang out with too many guys :duh:
I have more of a guy's personality and interests, so I never really thought about that until you brought it up.

*Your name is awsome, by the way :P*
(Sweet post 200 :P)

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 Post subject: A piece of the puzzle....
PostPosted: June 4th, 2006, 8:09 pm 
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Thanks Lady Rinoa. I appreciate your comments. They make me think farther. Masculine and feminine characteristics certainly can't account for everything. It is just a piece of the puzzle I think.

I can think of powerful women throughout history who seemed more masculine and of many men (including myself) who seem to come across as less masculine, at least in socially stereotyped roles and actions.

This is a good thing I think. There truly is a wide variation in any culture. But, in some cases, especially an agressive leader and protecter like Boromir, the masculine shines out naturally strong.

Do you think that there is a pivital difference in the way the sexes process thought and how they approach life, even thought we can approximate each other?

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 Post subject: Re: A piece of the puzzle....
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Sinbearer wrote:
Thanks Lady Rinoa. I appreciate your comments. They make me think farther. Masculine and feminine characteristics certainly can't account for everything. It is just a piece of the puzzle I think.

I can think of powerful women throughout history who seemed more masculine and of many men (including myself) who seem to come across as less masculine, at least in socially stereotyped roles and actions.

This is a good thing I think. There truly is a wide variation in any culture. But, in some cases, especially an agressive leader and protecter like Boromir, the masculine shines out naturally strong.

Do you think that there is a pivital difference in the way the sexes process thought and how they approach life, even thought we can approximate each other?

Your right it is piece of the puzzle.

I think that I get most of my leardership and masculine side from some of my realatives, Queen Elizabeth 1 (through Anne Bolyen), King Henry II, and VII, and King Edward 1. To name a few. *I know I have a lot of royalty in my family, but I'm sure that I get it frome these leaders*

To answer your question, The thought process of men and women are a bit different in my opinion. Being female and having somewhat of a man's personality makes it difficult for me to explain but, I'll give it a shot. * I hope that I can explain this clearly*

Ok, in an argument situation for example. Men mostly try and settle thier problems with force, while women try to settle things with words and if needed result to force. I think that women and men compleate each other, by having cirtain characteristics that one side dosen't have or should I say have much of.

As to how they approch life woman are more laid-back and want to take things easy, while men want a lot of excitment in thier lives.

I am told that I have a lot of knowladge for a woman of 15 years. :P
It's a good thing though, right?

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 Post subject: A good thing....
PostPosted: June 6th, 2006, 1:15 am 
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It is a big subject but I think you have some pretty good answers in such a short space. You do have some great insights I think...on many things. Knowledge can never be a bad thing...we all need every bit we can get to get us through this crazy life.

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My answer wasn't really up there. In some ways he was weak in others he wasn't. When he came to the ring, of course he was weak, no real question about that. When it came to just about everything else he was strong. It is completely up to each person how they want to interpret it. If they believe as I do you have to face even the toughest obstacles well then some might say he was weak. Others may say it is about how strong you are all around, for everything, then you might find him to be strong in your opinion. I am pretty much undecided on the subject of Boromir, I suppose if I had to pick I would say he is strong over all.


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nightcrawler wrote:
It is completely up to each person how they want to interpret it.

I think you hit something really important here and pivitol to the power of Tolkien's books. They hit each of us right were we are in life and consequently reach us individually and differently in deep and wonderful ways. That is why I love reading here because I see how it touched each person that expresses themselves here in such diverse ways.
In that way it takes on such a richness....

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He was weak. No question. But he was there at his father's bidding. Give the guy some credit!

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i think that he is very strong(my mom likes him lots)

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Boromir is a good representation of us humans. Sure, he gave into temptation, but we all do. He didn't quite realize the full power and evil of the Ring until he had been taken by it...after that he was very repentent and willing to serve. I wish that he had lived longer and gotten more of a chance to show his strength.


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Lissësúl wrote:
I wish that he had lived longer and gotten more of a chance to show his strength.


I wish that so much too. A life ended prematurely is so tragic.
But like I have said in another thread, I think that Boromir’s death has resonding consequence that ripples throughout the rest of the story—consequence that is complex and cannot be perhaps totally extrapolated. I believe that the outcome of evil is changed by his death.

There are cosmic forces that play in our lives. Things happen for reasons that none of us can fully forsee. Often tradegy is the messenger of blessing. Sometimes in death we can effect more positive change in the world than we ever could if we could live out the rest of our lives.

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What I think was Boromir thought that the Ring could save Gondor from Mordor. After all, he was around when Mordor attacked Osilgath and he destroyed the last bridge. So he knew the threat that was going to destroy Gondor. So he desperately wanted to defend Gondor to the very last minute. He was also slightly depressed when he went to Lorien and Galadriel spoke to him about the fall of Gondor. This is what he said,
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I will find no rest here. I heard her voice inside my head. She spoke of my father and the fall of Gondor. She said to me "Even now there is hope left." But I cannot see it. It is long since we had any hope. My father is a noble man, but his rule is failing. And now our people lose faith. He looks to me to make things right and I would do it. I would see the glory of Gondor restored.

Obviously his father had influence on him as well, looking to Boromir to make things right. More than likely, Boromir thought taking the Ring to Gondor was "making things right". Also he probably thought that the hope Galadriel talked about was the Ring. Then he says this,
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True-hearted Men, they will not be corrupted. We of Minas Tirith have been staunch through long years of trial. We do not desire the power of wizard-lords, only strength to defend ourselves, strength in a just cause. And behold! in our need chance brings to light the Ring of Power. It is a gift, I say; a gift to the foes of Mordor. It is mad not to use it, to use the power of the Enemy against him. The fearless, the ruthless, these alone will achieve victory. What could not a warrior do in this hour, a great leader? What could not Aragorn do? Or if he refuses, why not Boromir? The Ring would give me power of Command. How I would drive the hosts of Mordor, and all men would flock to my banner!

Though Aragorn was older than Boromir and had also fought against Sauron's armies, Boromir lived closer to the threat than Aragorn which is why he wanted the Ring more desperately. All of this is what I think, nothing more.

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