Well, well, well. You finally finished Kitoky. W00T!!! Nice job!!

*Grabs her Guide to Narnia book and a glass of water*

Which book comes next? Well, my child, I read that there are 3 orders:
1. Lewis wrote the books in this order:
-The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
-Prince Caspian
-The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
-The Horse and His Boy
-The Silver Chair
-The Last Battle
-The Magician's Nephew

2.The books were published in this order:
-LWW
-Prince Caspian
-Voyage of the DT
-Silver Chair
-Horse and His Boy
-Magician's Nephew
-Last Battle

3. Lewis wanted the books read in this order:
-Magician's Nephew
-LWW
-Horse and His Boy
-Prince Caspian
-Voyage of the DT
-Silver Chair
-Last Battle

Personally, I would choose the 3rd order, to respect the author's wishes.

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Okay, thanks so much Gwenneth! I'll be reading the Horse and His Boy then.

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So then, why aren't they doing the Magcian's Nephew first and Prince Caspian fourth? They cannot possibly label any of the books as boring.

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Hmm...I need to get that guide book! Were wacthing the old BBC versian. There is sertain things I like better about the New CoN. One thing- Peter seems a lil bit bossy in the other one, In the new one hes more Wacthful over his brothers and sisters. Lucy, I like her better in the new one she just seems better how she acts. Susan shes better in the new one. But Edmund I think was better in the old versian- these are just my opions

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Okay, I seriously love Susan in this one --- I love myself, perhaps. But she is just so cool. I don't find it a bit annoying that she wants to go home because I would want the same thing.

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Yea, I wouldnt wanna go home! I mean its not every day you get to go to narnia you know

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But Kit, Narnia is supposed to be a place where you...ugh, what's the word...it just feels like home! It's the kind of place every human would long to escape or go into. The very Narnian air changes you physically -- as you probably noticed in Magician's Nephew, Uncle Andrew was able to run faster, and it's not just coincidence that Peter just knows how to use a sword right away...

Miri, I don't think I understand your question...would you mind explaining it again?

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Oh I would love to go to Narnia I could just dream of it *sighs*

But Gwen I have to say I agree with Kit. The time they come is when a witch is there. Also Susan being the more practical one must be seen as wanting to go home. She worries about life and hand and doesn't stop to often to smell the roses. She is that way and that is one of the reasons I believe

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She didn't keep believing in Narnia.

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^I know. Truly sad. I remember yelling at the book when I found that out. I would love to go to Narnia. It's so away from everything here. It's so ethereal!

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She was like that to a certain extent in The Lion, the Witch, and Wardrobe. But I think they HIGHLY enhanced it in the movie. It's more in PC that she starts to lose her faith in Narnia and Aslan.

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That's probably the only reason I stopped liking Susan. Other than that, she's awesome!

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Well, Narnia isn't always the place where you want to escape to, obviously --- I mean, we know this from Uncle Andrew [and possibly all people with magical blood in them], and how he hated the place --- he wanted to leave. I don't have the feeling that anyone can just enter and feel at home. Kids? Sure, they're young, they tend to believe in that sort of thing so it's easy for them to look at it as a home, fairyland, Hawaii, whatever.

But that's Narnia in GENERAL. I do believe it also relies on the sense of character and traits of the person who enters Narnia.

Digory Kirke --- he was mischievous, very bored with his home, he wanted adventure and so he imagined many things.

Polly Plummer --- Again, very bored, very curious in her own sense but she knows when to draw the line. I think she thinks safety before curiosity. But she still believed.

Lucy Pevensie --- THE Pevensie to put forth all her imagination and belief into Narnia, believing, knowing that Narnia was real, very much REAL. She gets the full Narnia experience. She encounters Mr. Tumnus, made friends with him but she's been protected and she senses and believes that all is good and well.

Edmund Pevensie --- Yes, he's the bad guy but he also believed, even for a bad guy. He believes that Jadis was the Queen of Narnia and that he could become King. He wants to STAY in Narnia because he doesn't want to face the tragedies with his father going off to war in our world.

Peter Pevensie --- He is mature. I wouldn't say he's logical, but he's mature, he's grown up, he's the eldest so he has to look out for his siblings, but with facing Narnia, having Edmund kidnapped, it's his duty to bring him back and if Peter doesn't believe how will he achieve that goal? The battle with Jadis, which could very much cause him to sink deeper into his belief.

Susan Pevensie --- Okay, here's the psychological thing. Lucy discovers Narnia, Edmund is in cahoots with the White Witch, and Peter is the knight in shining armor who is needed to defeat the White Witch. Where does that leave Susan? In Limbo? Seriously, what more can fate deal her way? Nothing! So it's only natural that her character is solid and already developed, she's one of the older two, but Peter's the one looking after everyone --- she could help but what use would it be? She feels that she needs to mature, to be logical because Peter's very free-spirited.

But to be logical, that also means thinking and debating the realities of what is happening around her. And after this series, Susan's now, what? A 15-16 year old? I don't think it's that unlogical for her to make her final choice about Narnia.

And I think a line in the movie goes...

Susan: "Let's think about this for a minute."

Peter: "We don't HAVE A MINUTE."

Susan: "I was just trying to be realistic!"

Peter: "No, you're trying to be smart!"

I disagree with this --- I don't think Susan was trying to be smart at all, she was being herself --- it's not her fault 'smart' is one of things that describes herself. She was trying to be logical.

I think Susan is one of the most controversial characters of C.S. Lewis because of her lost in faith of Narnia and trust me, there are loads of fanfiction about her out there. I really do sympathize with her -- in the end, she ends up being along without her brothers and sister and it must've hurt her immensely --- I don't think she could've helped that she couldn't believe in Narnia.

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Okay guys, I decided to refresh my memory on the Narnia series so I'm gonna re-read the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

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Well, I know there are spoilers below, but this is the SPOILER THREAD, so remember, read at your own risk.



Well, Uncle Andrew was an evil man. Lewis didn't just randomly choose kids to go into Narnia. His point was that children have such a faith (in God) that is unlike adult's. Adults become swarmed up into "reality" and become absorbed into it, while children allow themselves to wonder and dream. And that's why at the end of Prince Caspian Aslan tells Susan and Peter that they will never come back to Narnia -- they've become too old.



It doesn't make it easier for Lucy to believe because she's had the "special treatment" of meeting Tumnus and discovering Narnia before the others. It's her child like faith that enables it. She's not afraid of looking stupid to the world.



First of all, Ed is not the bad guy. He's only decieved, like the rest of us. Jadis resembles Satan, who decieved us, and Aslan is Jesus who payed the penalty of our fault. I'd say in the beginning he wants to stay to be King, but by the end, it completely changes. He trusts in Aslan.


So, are you saying that Peter is only using Narnia to rescue Edmund? Remember, it's not Peter's duty to save Edmund. There was nothing the Pevensies could do. It was only Aslan who could save him -- by dying for him. The reason why Peter's belief "sank deeper", as you say, was because of Aslan. I know in the movie, Aslan's role is small, but it's because of Aslan they love Narnia. Sure, the fighting and stuff is really cool, but it all comes down to Aslan.



Do you mean to say Lewis ran out of ideas for Susan? It's not because all other positions are filled that she forgets Narnia and Aslan. Here is how she is described at the end of The Last Battle:
"My sister Susan," answered Peter shortly and gravely, "is no longer a friend of Narnia."
"Yes," said Eustace, "and whenever you've tried to get her to come and talk about Narnia, or do anything about Narnia, she says, 'What wonderful memories you have! Fancy your still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children.'"
"Oh Susan!" Said Jill, "She's interested in nothing nowdays except nylons and lipstick and invitations. She always was a jolly sight too keen on being grown up."
"Grown-up indeed," said the Lady Polly. "I wish she would grow up. She wasted all her school time wanting to be the age she is now, and she'll waste all the rest of her life trying to stay that age. Her whole idea is to race on to the silliest time of one's life as quick as she can, and then stop there as long as she can."



According to Polly, Peter, Eustace, Jill and the others, she did have a choice and could've helped it.

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Hmm both of you have good points but I am not convinced that it wasn't right for the movie.

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