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PostPosted: January 14th, 2006, 8:30 pm 
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Can I join this club?

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I'm pretty sure you can narnianqueen.

How did this get on page 3 or 4 of the index? *stares in disbelief*

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*gasp* We cannot let this club be forgotten. *tries to think of something to start a conversation*

So which Narnia book is everyone's favorite?

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I like the Horse and His Boy. Aravis is my favorite non-Pevensie character. I also like Dawn Treader because it has so many adventures. But all in all, the entire set rocks! What about you?

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I think Prince Caspien is my favorite. I like that the Pevensies all came back to Narnia, even if was a little sad because everything had changed from when they had been ruling. The Horse and His Boy would be my second favorite; I loved how that one ended. :)

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I think Lasaraleen is funny with a hint of dumb-ness. :)

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can i join??i like all the Narnia books.
i cant decide which 1 is my fave.....maybe the Voyage of the Dawn Treader......

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Okay, so --- so far I've read Magician's Nephew up to ...well, I'm in the middle of Voyage of the Dawn Treader.


I'm not at all satisfied with C.S. Lewis's writing style.

There's not a real build of character in these human beings. These -characters-, yet they don't have any outstanding traits or prominent characteristics. Every character in the book, I've pretty much hated/disliked at -some- point in their individual stories.

And there isn't consistency in his writing, speed-wise. At points it can go quite quickly but at times, it's irritatingly slow that I have to re-read whatever I read because my mind wandered off to something else and was day-dreaming.

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I really am not picky, so I don't mind. The change of pace kinda lets things settle in and let you get ready for what's coming I think. Kind of like a bit of a lit break.

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Eh, I think C.S. Lewis more of a fanfiction writer. But that's just me. [dodges spears and pointy objects]

Right now I'm reading the Silver Chair which has a really odd beginning sentence.

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May I join? I am in love with the Chronicles of Narnia. I have read all seven many times, and find myself strangely enchanted with "The Horse and His Boy."

Kitoky, what do you mean you think him as a fanfiction writer? (No, my bow, nor my sword are drawn against you. I simply wonder.) oh, and if you dislike the Chronicles of Narnia, do not ever read his sci-fi trilogy, for his pacing is much the same. But I encourage you to read "Screwtape Letters". The pacing is sensible and it is simply a good book.

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His writing seems....choppy --- much like many fanfic writers. But it could be his style.


I adore the Horse and his Boy and it's my favorite thus far.


C.S. Lewis isn't really my ideal author, it's very slow paced and it -is- a children's book, there's no real logical explaination to some things.

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As far as I'm concerned, Lewis was a genius.

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There's not a real build of character in these human beings. These -characters-, yet they don't have any outstanding traits or prominent characteristics. Every character in the book, I've pretty much hated/disliked at -some- point in their individual stories.

Yes, there isn't the same depthful character description as Tolkien's work, because they're stories written for children! As for distinct and outstanding character traits, I can see them. You just have to look closely.

You dislike them because they aren't as developed as most book characters?

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C.S. Lewis isn't really my ideal author, it's very slow paced and it -is- a children's book, there's no real logical explaination to some things.

Oh, but that's the fun of it. :) Esepcially in LWW and the Silver Chair, Lewis was "teasing" modern schools and experiment houses. Professor Kirke's famous word is "logic!" -- "What do they teach in schools these days?" was Lewis' way of saying that schools aren't good places anymore, and completely shut out wonder and faith. Children now think it completely silly to believe in a magical world -- but why? There's nothing silly about it at all. It's the same way with Christianity. The modern culture says "there's no such thing as God or Jesus, and you're a fool to believe in being saved and such."

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His writing seems....choppy --- much like many fanfic writers. But it could be his style.


I adore the Horse and his Boy and it's my favorite thus far.


C.S. Lewis isn't really my ideal author, it's very slow paced and it -is- a children's book, there's no real logical explaination to some things.


If you can manage to pull yourself back from it far enough, you see how it all blends together masterfully. He has so many layers to his work, that if you only take the book at face value then it does seem choppy.

You too? YAY! The reason I like the Horse and his Boy is... well, I felt it long before I could put it into words. Lewis said it best. It instills a special kind of longing in the reader for he knows not what. It gives us a longing for a place where we can give up our facades and disguises. A place where we can see truth for what it really is*. It always reminds me that "we were made for something greater." It just shines through brilliantly in the Horse and His Boy.

You mustn't look at Lewis' work as just a childrens story, or just an allegory, or just a commentary or rebuttle for modern critics and teachers of his day. For it is all of those things at once and more. There is a logical explanation, at least for a magical country, for everything. Sometimes you simply do not see it the first time through.

* paraphrase of Douglas Gresham's ending to Horse and His Boy in Focus on the Family's Radio Theater.

"Peter held the door closed but did not shut it; for, of course, he remembered, as every sensible person does, that you should never never shut yourself up in a wardrobe."

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As far as I'm concerned, Lewis was a genius.

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There's not a real build of character in these human beings. These -characters-, yet they don't have any outstanding traits or prominent characteristics. Every character in the book, I've pretty much hated/disliked at -some- point in their individual stories.

Yes, there isn't the same depthful character description as Tolkien's work, because they're stories written for children! As for distinct and outstanding character traits, I can see them. You just have to look closely.

You dislike them because they aren't as developed as most book characters?


Well, I have been looking closely but I can't see it. At all. I mean, I can't differentiate the characters. It seems like it's all just a group of zombies with different names. I do like it when the author shows that the characters are human but C.S. Lewis just....he makes it too subtle. I mean a 'gentle' and logical person like Susan suddenly becomes beastly in Prince Caspian and Prince Caspian and Edmund become beastly and compete with each other on the one....island, in which I forget, and I know that that's what the island does to a person but it just seems so strange. I don't feel like I'm relating to the characters at all. Except for Susan, I think I am very much like Susan and surprisingly she's the least-developed character, I feel, at least.


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C.S. Lewis isn't really my ideal author, it's very slow paced and it -is- a children's book, there's no real logical explaination to some things.


Oh, but that's the fun of it. :) Esepcially in LWW and the Silver Chair, Lewis was "teasing" modern schools and experiment houses. Professor Kirke's famous word is "logic!" -- "What do they teach in schools these days?" was Lewis' way of saying that schools aren't good places anymore, and completely shut out wonder and faith. Children now think it completely silly to believe in a magical world -- but why? There's nothing silly about it at all. It's the same way with Christianity. The modern culture says "there's no such thing as God or Jesus, and you're a fool to believe in being saved and such."


Well that's true .....but I didn't understand that either ---- Didn't Professor Kirke ask why Susan and Peter weren't thinking logically? But isn't that what the schools have been teaching? Logical things? So why would he wonder about what they've been taught in school?

I'm a very logical person and I don't like unanswered 'why?'s and it bothers me so much!

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If you can manage to pull yourself back from it far enough, you see how it all blends together masterfully. He has so many layers to his work, that if you only take the book at face value then it does seem choppy.


Yes, I'm trying to pull through! At least so I can say that I've read it and I can back my opinion on it.

I've actually seen it through the layers of it, the setting, the basic beginnings of the book from our world it Narnia, to the plot, the wonders of Aslan, to the missions, there isn't much.......substance shall we say.

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You too? YAY! The reason I like the Horse and his Boy is... well, I felt it long before I could put it into words. Lewis said it best. It instills a special kind of longing in the reader for he knows not what. It gives us a longing for a place where we can give up our facades and disguises. A place where we can see truth for what it really is*. It always reminds me that "we were made for something greater." It just shines through brilliantly in the Horse and His Boy.


I love The Horse and His Boy because it's quite different from all the rest of the books. The feel of it. It no longer feels Narnian in the entire book, it feels Calormene, not saying I'm a particular fan of the Carlomene but I just like the whole scheming of the Calormene and the plotting and just the overall villianous feel to it. Even though I was cringing when C.S. Lewis was bashing his own character. Poor Susan.

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AAARRGH!! I had this whole thing typed up and then I got logged out! I had to re-type the entire thing again...just when I had it so well worded! :annoyed: *Tears hair out*


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Well, I have been looking closely but I can't see it. At all. I mean, I can't differentiate the characters. It seems like it's all just a group of zombies with different names. I do like it when the author shows that the characters are human but C.S. Lewis just....he makes it too subtle.

Lewis made them subtle, as it is a children's book.

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Well that's true .....but I didn't understand that either ---- Didn't Professor Kirke ask why Susan and Peter weren't thinking logically? But isn't that what the schools have been teaching? Logical things? So why would he wonder about what they've been taught in school?

I'm a very logical person and I don't like unanswered 'why?'s and it bothers me so much!

Logic through a school's eyes is knowing how to solve a math problem.
Logic through Lewis' eyes is having a child like heart full of wonder.
Peter and Susan were ignoring the answer that logic lead them to:
Lucy is usually more truthful than Edmund, and doesn't usually go mad.
The only option left, is that Lucy is telling the truth. Peter and Susan thought it was silly and impossible for Narnia to exist because they were looking at the situation through school's logic. Why is it so impossible for Lucy to be telling the truth?
What Digory meant by "What do they teach at these schools these days?" was that schools now teach that it's impossible for other worlds to exist, and you're a fool to believe in things so silly. He was telling them to just use logic! If Lucy never lies and she isn't mad, then what's the only option left? Why can that not be true?

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I've actually seen it through the layers of it, the setting, the basic beginnings of the book from our world it Narnia, to the plot, the wonders of Aslan, to the missions, there isn't much.......substance shall we say.

Narnia is meant to be taken lightheartedly, in a sense. Not interrogated to see what is realisitc or not. There is substance there -- the juicy adventures, and Aslan who is the closest figure to Jesus I have ever read about.

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Even though I was cringing when C.S. Lewis was bashing his own character. Poor Susan.

Wait, when was Lewis bashing Susan in Horse and His Boy? :confused:

Lewis would not bash his own character. Susan is an exampe of what happens to a Christian when they get sucked back into worldly things such as lipstick and parties, as Polly said. She began to see logic through the school's eyes -- that Aslan and Narnia were just a silly game, and you were foolish to believe in it.

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