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did frodo succeed??or did he fail??
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Author:  The Nightingale [ December 23rd, 2006, 1:12 am ]
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I think that the quest itself was definately achieved, and I would say that Frodo's purpose was to destroy the ring. Whether he did or not. So I would say he succeeded, even though Gollum did the hardest part for him.
Author:  Iritarimel Noramírë [ December 25th, 2006, 5:33 pm ]
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I disagree Witch_King_of_Angmar. Gollum did not destroy the Ring on purpose, he fell in because in greed he stole it from Frodo. Frodo failed because he finally decided to keep the Ring ("the Ring is mine") and only by accident really was the Ring destroyed. But he also succeeded because the Ring WAS destroyed in the end, and he went farther and went through more than any other. So his quest succeeded but he failed... I guess...

~Iri
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 25th, 2006, 7:01 pm ]
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The Ring was not destroyed by accident - read my last post.

As to where you can find the maps in my signature see here:

http://www.tolkienforums.com/mapsofarda.htm
Author:  Iritarimel Noramírë [ December 25th, 2006, 8:43 pm ]
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Oops, I didn't see that! :blush: But it makes sense... Very cool! where did you find that? I guess I agree then...

~Iri
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 26th, 2006, 7:01 am ]
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Tolkien Letters.
Author:  *elemmire* [ December 26th, 2006, 11:06 am ]
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Yeah, I think Frodo succeeded. In the end his task was to destroy the ring, and that happened.
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 26th, 2006, 11:55 am ]
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Frodo's task was to destroy the Ring. He only took it to the place it COULD be destroyed. He did not do it himself.
Author:  Eärendil The Mariner [ December 27th, 2006, 1:47 pm ]
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Hey Lord of all! The reply you gave regards Eru is amazing. Thanks for bringing that out! :)

Now regards the whole topic and this quote:-
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Frodo's task was to destroy the Ring. He only took it to the place it COULD be destroyed. He did not do it himself.

True. But then, if it wasn't for Sam to help Frodo on many occasions (ex: at Cirith Ungol), the ring wouldn't have made it to Orodruin. So partially, it's also thanks to Sam for its destruction.

Thanks.
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 29th, 2006, 11:25 am ]
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You could then say that it was Gandalf, or Aragorn, or any member of the Fellowship who helped the Ring's destruction becuase without them, Frodo would have got into some very sticky situations indeed.
Author:  Eärendil The Mariner [ December 29th, 2006, 12:19 pm ]
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You could then say that it was Gandalf, or Aragorn, or any member of the Fellowship who helped the Ring's destruction becuase without them, Frodo would have got into some very sticky situations indeed.


Yep that's true! Hehe!
Author:  Lord Of All [ December 29th, 2006, 1:48 pm ]
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Or you could say that Sauron helped Frodo get the Ring to Mt Doom becuase without him, there would not have been a Ring to carry.
Author:  Iritarimel Noramírë [ December 29th, 2006, 2:25 pm ]
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Yuck, let's not go that far. ;) Otherwise I agree.

~Iri
Author:  Nessmister of the Rings [ January 10th, 2007, 8:49 am ]
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personally i have never really been able to decide about this... its difficult becasue i don't want to say that Frodo failed after coming all that way, but i don't really think their is an actual hero of that part of the story. At least the ring was destroyed
Author:  Frodos-Guide [ January 10th, 2007, 2:43 pm ]
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I'm still going to say he succeeded. I know there is a lot of controversy but i must say i still believe Frodo is a hero. Although at the least moments he struggled a lot...failing would have been not putting in the courage to pull himself back up when falling over. Failing would have been losing the ring on the quest, or being unable to fight the power of the dark lord even when faced with very difficult situations. Frodo Succeded.
Author:  Ardanwen [ January 11th, 2007, 4:02 pm ]
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I think it was a accident. but also Sam would help him to destroy. I am really sure... well its not bad (my opinion) that gollum fell...
With the ring. two fly's one smash :D
so Gollum did this: :explode:
Author:  Feanaro Calalean [ February 24th, 2007, 2:17 pm ]
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I think he wound up succeeding by another means than the one planned for him, but the goal was acheived:destroy the ring. It so happened that he wanted to keep it, but it was destroyed anyway.
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