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Who was the real hero here?
Frodo 25%  25%  [ 13 ]
Sam 75%  75%  [ 40 ]
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PostPosted: August 29th, 2007, 12:41 pm 


Alright so everyone is always so fond of Frodo but lets look at this closer shall we?

Who is the real hero in this?
My thoughts, Sam, I mean Sam kept him going day by day, who was the one who almost always risked his life for Frodo? Sam, why? Well so that Ring could be destroyed, no other reason, all Im saying is that Sam is the main reason the ring was destroyed

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PostPosted: August 29th, 2007, 10:39 pm 
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^I agree with you, Elf Lady Alane. "Frodo wouldn't have got far without Sam." (And really, everyone in LOTR is a hero in some ways, even Gollum.)

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PostPosted: August 30th, 2007, 2:34 pm 
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Well, they're both heroes. Sam kept Frodo going, but I don't think Sam could have gotten nearly as far as Frodo in his place. Frodo was a hero for bearing the burden of the Ring all that time, while Sam was a hero for supporting Frodo the entire way.

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Well, I dont think Frodo really resisted the burden I mean yeah he did resist for some time but towards the end, if Sam wasnt there he wouldnt have gone anywhere near Mt. Doom or even destroyed the Ring, Frodo was just there to hold the Ring, I think that Sam did almost all the work, I mean he fed him, he guided him and he even offered his life for Frodo, you go Sam!! :-D

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But nobody else would have gotten nearly as far as Frodo did--Frodo is a hero for getting it that far without giving in. And while Frodo wouldn't have gotten that far without Sam helping him, neither would Sam have been able to get far without Frodo. They both relied on each other--a lot. Sam was a hero, definitely. But his heroism was physical--visible. Frodo's heroism was all in the mind, of him resisting the Ring. It was of him accepting the burden of the Ring in the vain hope that he could resist it long enough to destroy it in Orodruin.

So I don't think either one can be said to be 'more' heroic than the other. Neither would have survived without the other there.

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Another one of those unfair questions... just think about it, would the story have worked out properly without one of the 'hero' candidates gone? No.... :P

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So like I said, you can't really say that one of them was more heroic than the other.

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As I said, everyone in this story (except for the all-out antagonists) is a hero in some way.

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PostPosted: September 1st, 2007, 5:03 pm 
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I had to write an essay about this. And I could honestly could not decide.
As you all said, they both did so much, sacrificed so much. "Frodo wouldn't have gone far without Sam", but I don't think Sam would've gone anywhere without Frodo. They wouldn't have been able to do anything, or even stay alive, without the other. They complete each other, IMO. They're bother equally heroic, but in different ways.


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Well, let's see. Frodo wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Sam, true, but Frodo was given the task of being ringbearer.

I think that there's no one hero in Lord of the Rings. There are so many people playing roles in it that it's hard to pick out just one, and in a sense everyone's a hero, because as Gandalf says everyone has a part to play (yeah, I know it's not exactly like that, but whatever).

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I think that Frodo had a harder time than Sam and so should be considered a greater hero. Yes, Sam kept him going, but Sam wasn't carrying the Ring. Without Sam, Frodo may have not completed the task, but Sam on his own would have not gone far. If they were on their own, the task would not have been completed. I think that they are both heroes, but in different ways.

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PostPosted: September 2nd, 2007, 5:32 pm 


Peregrin Took wrote:
I think that Frodo had a harder time than Sam and so should be considered a greater hero. Yes, Sam kept him going, but Sam wasn't carrying the Ring. Without Sam, Frodo may have not completed the task, but Sam on his own would have not gone far. If they were on their own, the task would not have been completed. I think that they are both heroes, but in different ways.


I agree well said.


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So.....in other words....Frodo carried the ring while Sam carried him...I mean thats what I have come to understand I mean....Frodo gave into the Ring a few times, Sam stopped him...but then again...Sam couldn't carry the Ring...but then....Frodo didnt completlly resist, but thats why Sam was there....uhm...Yah yah, their both heroes, alright you guys convinced me :-D

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Personaly speaking, I would have to say Sam. Not to say that I like Sam better...but just that I think of him of more of the hero of Lord of the Rings. Sam was willing to risk his life for Frodo and for the quest of the ring, carried, fed, and kept Frodo from temptation (for a good part of the movies/books). Frodo did his best and he did do a good job. However eventualy he gave into the temptation of the ring. At the end he decided to keep the it for himself. Whereas Sam on the other hand (though he carried it a shorter period of time) did not even think of such (that we were showed at least). It is just my theory...but I think that Sam could have carried the ring longer (without giving into temptation) than Frodo. The ring was farther from Sam's grasp than Frodo's but still yet it was there and he never once let the thought of taking it for his own selfish purposes cross his mind. After carrying it for a time he willingly gave it back to a seemingly all too greedy (at the time...Frodo grabbed whole heartedly for the ring and said something along the lines of, "Give it to me!"...if I remember corectly) Frodo. Frodo, in my opinion, was much more self serving than Sam and therefore more likely to try to keep the ring for himself. Frodo nearly leaft his friends to wraiths...to die...but Sam was more than willing to die for his friends. So I would say that though almost all of the Lord of the Rings characters (very much inclueding Frodo) were heros, that Sam was the Main hero of Lord of the Rings. Just my opinion though.

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Ah, it's a difficult task to be a "hero". Actually, they were all heros in the end, weren't they? Each in their own way. Since you are specifically talking here about Sam and Frodo, though....this is a tough one. We must remember that the task of Ringbearer was appointed to Frodo. When that was done, there was no assurance that he would have assistance from Sam. "This task was appointed to you." Isn't that what Galadriel said? Not to Sam. That being said, however, it was Sam who supported Frodo the entire way through and yes, Sam did become the Ringbearer when he thought that Frodo was dead and could no longer accomplish the task. Remember, though, he could relinquish the Ring easily because it wasn't in his possession that long! If Sam had the Ring the same amount of time that Frodo did, the power of the Ring would have been working on Sam also. Besides, the nearer they got to Mount Doom, the stronger the power of the Ring became. And never forget Gandalf's words: "No one could resist the power of the Ring!" In the end, yes, it overtook Frodo and if Sam had had the Ring, it would have overtaken Sam too! So, who is the hero? They both are, for they took on a task against a powerful foe and they were successful! As did the rest of the Fellowship! They are all heros!

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I was leaning towards Sam than I decided not to vote at all. I can't, because neither one is THE hero here.

If Frodo hadn't offered to take the ring in the first place (a very heroic or maybe slightly ignorant offer), Sam wouldn't really be a hero at all.

Frodo bore the ring all that time... a very big burden. Sam helped him bear it, but Sam never really dealt with as much physical pain as Frodo did.

I think they're both heroes and I don't think either one of them is a bigger hero.

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