I hear you loud and clear, sorry for not acknowleding that For me, I am much more lax on the lesser original material thing because I read an inummerous amount of books of this genre and style, and they all are blended together now. I can sometimes not even remember which character is who and what book their from, what places are where. I read a Pendragon book that had a part that almost completely mirrored the part of Eragon where they enter Farthen Dur. *shrugs* I forgot which one was which, but I don't really care. also, as someone pursuing a career in writing, I look at each story in its own way, not letting other stories enter my mind when I read it and look at the unique experience each one offers. And I enjoy them all, and I can look at similarities and shrug.

Plus, I am still new to LOTR, so I'm not exactly a diehard...and in my world, Eragon came first.I dunno, maybe I would think diferently of it if I were a diehard before Eragon came out.

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That's true. I was a diehard when I read Eragon, even more than I am now, so I came out of it going "Why didn't I just read LotR over again?"

Which probably wasn't fair, to Paolini or his book, but I tend to be biased and for me, Eragon has always been one of those books you read when you're bored. I also can't say I really agree with Paolini's worldview

And I apologize if I came off as overly aggressive - I tend to hang aroung Will/Elizabeth vs. Jack/Elizabeth PotC threads, and boy, are those things hot!

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nah, i was doing the same *shrugs* we are equally to blame.

Anyway, now that the stuff is covered, how about some pro-eragon discussion.

I love Murtagh. He's the man, even if he is stupid sometimes!


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I think it was the map and the elf at the beginning which made me think he nicked it and a ton of other stuff which I can't remember. I didn't read the whole book, but it was just little things. Personally I don't particularily care, it doesn't compare to LotR and most people can pick out the similarities easily.

Okay, I don't understand how people can't see the similarities between Lotr and Eragon by just looking at the map. Especially the island that is shaped suspiously like Numenor and is home to a race with super-human abilities. The plot is simply three stories combined into one:

Dragonriders of Pern
Lord of the Rings
Star Wars

I would be much more accepting of these books if Mr. Paolini had been more original. I mean, his version of elves and dwarves are practically ripped from lotr with a few differing religious factors thrown in.

Sorry, but I find Eragon to be an immature version of Star wars set in Middle-earth.

And no one can say that Tolkien was unoriginal because he pretty much invented modern fantasy even if he based it off a few ancient myths. Believe me, I've taken entire classes on the subject and can recomend a collection of lectures on CD if anyone is interested or can't get to a live lecture.

I don't mean to offend anyone. It's just my opinion.

Yes, Pro-Eragon, please! I personally love it when Eragon thinks that Murtagh is in some prison, without food or anything, and then he walks into where they are keeping him, and who else but Murtagh is sittin' on the lap of luxsury(sp) and with a huge feast no less! love that part. I also love it when Eragon decides to climb a cliff and ends up at a dead end, which means that Saphira has to rescue her poor rider... Anyone else have any fav. parts?

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Oh my gosh. He actually did that? It certainly seemed like it at times, but wow, I never thought anyone would actually do that. How original.

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Yeah, I'd read that before, too. It explains why the book doesn't seem to have a single original idea in it...

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I agree that it sounds a lot like some other fantasy books, but I think after a while, some of the plots get repeated. I've got to give him props though for writing such a hit book at such a young age. I think overall it was pretty creative.

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It isn't the most original book out there, but I still like it!

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OK, like I've said before, I can definitely tell that parts of Eragon were copied from LotR. I won't list them because they've already been mentioned.

However, I think some people are just taking this too...seriously. Lots of people love attacking Eragon (or Paolini for that matter ) for copying, but when you look at other modern fantasies, they also have strong similarities to LotR and to each other. Also, even if Paolini did copy LotR a lot, does it really matter? Do you think if Tolkien was alive he'd have a hissy fit at Paolini? I think not.

And obviously if the publishers really thought he was plagarising, they wouldn't have published him. True, his parents were the first publishers, but there are other companies that have published him since then.

I guess there's no point in really arguing about what Paolini did or did not do because when you get down to it, the books aren't going to change, and some people will still hate them, and some will love them.

That's just my take. I hope I didn't offend anyone, because that was definitely not my intent

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Ok, rant time, lets see what i can write out.

Names:...Chrisy, get yourself some originality, using the names Vanilor and Eridor IS NOT ORIGINAL!!!! Valinor and Eriador are two places that Professor Tolkien managed to create. Isenstar? Oh my gods, i think you mean Isengard. and Ardwen? Hello Arwen. *runs off to fetch book*. Ok i can go on. Eldor? Sounds a lot like... Elladan, Elrohir, Elrond, should i go on? Gil'ead? Gil-Galad. Rona? Thats a hardware store for peats sake!! Oh, and i forget what book it is, but the name Murtag has already been taken, adding an h does not make it original. Galfni-Gandalf. Eoam-Eomer, man... this is starting to kill me. And one of the worst Beirland...i almost died when i read that on the map. Another really bad one, Melian, how freaking obviouse is that.

Plot:Holy flying cheese! These books could be called Star of the Rings, wow man! Kid living with uncle, uncle dies at hands of some weird beast with an unpronounceable name. Kid gets some magical thing(Saphira, lightsaber you could say and the Ring). Kid vows revenge, gets help from some weird old man(Brom was ok, but too similiar to Star Wars characters and Gandy). An epic quest takes place with a shady character(Murtagh-Aragorn(who is so much hotter than Murtagh)). Old weird man dies(oh wow...Gandy and that other dude). Continues on blah blah balh, in this case Star Wars kicks Eragons skinny blonde butt. And someone called this an epic. Absoloutely not, not in any way shape or form is CP's little trilogy an "epic" is a waste of paper, and he killed hundreds of thousands of trees publishing this "epic"

Characters:Eragon-Luke, need i say more? Brom-Gandalf, other wierd charrie from SW. Murtagh-Aragorn, Arya-Arwen, Saphira-Ring, you could compare Orik to Gimli... thats really all i can think of, but he's a plagurizing little man and i hate his guts.

One of my main rants is Eragon, in other words Marty-Sam, a character than has many tragic things happen to them, make it sportingly through, and : show no emotion what so ever, have amazing powers that usually take years to build up, have hundreds of women flocking after them and are very thick.

I detest his books, i have both btw, CP needs to get himself an imagination and some backbone so he can creat names that aren't so blatantly Tolkien. The movie was a let down, and CP needs to have his brains bashed out. There, i've had my say...*is content*


EDIT:I would also like to say that Eragon will not appeal to the legions of readers who have been captivated by the Lord of the Rings trilogy, if being captivaed means bashing and burning it then yes.

"Sorry if i sound like im bashing the books, which probably am, but this is my opinion, and if you dont like it, we agree to disagree."

I'm not trying to be a mod or anything, but that was a little too harsh. Yes, these books aren't the greatest, but most of the people posting in this thread are fans of them, and might be more than a little put off when people bash them. It's fine to voice your opinion, but please do it in a courteous, respectful way.

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oh *reads post* did i not put a "I'm sorry if i bash the books" in there? drat *toddles off to fix it*

[faints] This was one of the first threads I ever started! I can't believe its alive!

Thanks, guys, for siding with me on this one.

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