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Post subject: Posted: July 4th, 2007, 6:57 pm |
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Like I said. He has potential. If he could just go to school some more before he publishes anything else, his writing could be okay. But until then... 
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Post subject: Posted: July 4th, 2007, 7:52 pm |
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But he'll probably be really rich after all this Eragon hype and there's always a chance that he won't go to college, because he'll think he's rich enough and smart enough that he doesn't need it.
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Post subject: Posted: July 4th, 2007, 7:58 pm |
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Ah, so he thinks... there is a big difference between work from a college-educated person and work from a high-school-educated person.
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Post subject: Posted: July 4th, 2007, 9:44 pm |
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Joined: 09 December 2006 Posts: 981 Location: East Lansing
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I don't necessarilly think that is true. I'm a English major and i'm entering my third in at MSU and i've read some horrible things from college students and even college graduates. I do think that a college degree can help but some people just cannot write no matter how much schooling they have. I do like Chris Paolini's books (even if you disagree) however, I don't believe that if he went to school any of his critics (negative critics) would be anymore pleased with his writing. In my humble opinion you are born with a writing style9whether it be good or bad) and schooling helps you tone in that ability or lack there of. Everyone is allowed there own opinion and I respect everyones right to speak it. So with that said, I've spoken my peace. Critisize away 
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 12:10 am |
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Joined: 16 March 2006 Posts: 20465 Location: Gondolin Country:
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For an English major, you have a fair amount of spelling and punctuation errors...
But no matter... this topic isn't about poor spelling.
You can't be born with a writing style, Eruwaidheil. Nobody is born with an ability to do anything. Everyone learns, and one may choose to do more of it than others, which does affect their abilities. Two children can be presented with the same education throughout all their school years, but one may choose to sit and watch TV after homework, and the other may choose to read extra books with their spare time. But, no... that isn't just something you're born with. You work for it.
Paolini was just an impatient little boy. He could have done so much better if he just waited.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 9:32 am |
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My writing style is ... hasty. When I'm just writing for fun, it's rather rushed and not very detailed. But if I tried to make it more like Tolkien's writing, I know I could.
And I guess there are different kinds of college students. There are the dense ones who go to cheap colleges as well as the truly smart ones who go to the good expensive colleges. So that could explain the differences in writing.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 10:29 am |
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Joined: 03 January 2006 Posts: 13134 Location: Canada Country:
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Really, all classes at colleges etc. should be taught the same, so wether your going to a second rate local college, the subject matter and what you need to be taught should be the same as in an ivy league or whatever. So regardless of where CP went, he would be learning the same thing as everyone else.
Yes, writing is a talent that you need to cultivate over your life time, 15 years is not a long enough span to really strengthen it. Writing ability is like a tree, the more you water it and love it and sing to it, and the more years it grows, the bigger it gets. A fifteen year old sapling with a high school diploma is not going to compare to a 40+ oak tree with high school and various university degrees, plus a few years of actually teaching, having close friend that are also very good authors, a very imaginative mind that doesn't copy from copy writed work and real world experiences, the joys and sorrows of life are a lot easier to write about after you've really experienced them.
^CP versus Tolkien^
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 12:12 pm |
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Joined: 09 December 2006 Posts: 981 Location: East Lansing
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Haldir o Lórien wrote: For an English major, you have a fair amount of spelling and punctuation errors...
But no matter... this topic isn't about poor spelling.
You can't be born with a writing style, Eruwaidheil. Nobody is born with an ability to do anything. Everyone learns, and one may choose to do more of it than others, which does affect their abilities. Two children can be presented with the same education throughout all their school years, but one may choose to sit and watch TV after homework, and the other may choose to read extra books with their spare time. But, no... that isn't just something you're born with. You work for it.
Paolini was just an impatient little boy. He could have done so much better if he just waited.
Ok, fist of all please do not be rude,I was not rude to you, second of all I am not writing any type of formal paper I am just typing on a forum. No need to impress anyone. i don't go back and reread what i've just typed afterwards in forums. Why would I? As far as writing style goes, alright you do need to be taught, but whether or not you put in effort after homework does not matter if you just do not have the ability. I know several people who put great effort and concentration into writing something and it just doesn't work. Some people are just have a greater ability when it comes to writing. J.K. Rowling didn't go to school for writing at all, she went for French and Classics and then became a bilingual secretary. Not to mention the countless authors who have published books that have gone to college for writing and have written probably written some of the worse stories i've ever read. I'm not saying that it isn't something you need to work on because it is, I am saying that some people have it and some people don't. If you don't like his current writing style that is unlikely to change, no matter how much schooling he has had. I do agree he probably should have waited and gotten a little more experiences in his life which would have probably added to his story and made it more personal. I do AGREE with Dark, Queen of Angmar a story or book written by a 15 year is not going to compare(necessrily) with someone who has 40+ years of experience and everything else she said, but at the same time you write a story when you are 15 and it gets into the "right" hands and some publisher would like to publish it. would you turn down that opportunity, especially if at that time you were happy with what you have written? Not saying that later on when you go back and read it, you don't look at it and say " wow, I could have done this, or that or added this" That's probably what happened and no one would pass up that opportunity if presented to them especially if they themselves were happy with their work at that time.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 12:18 pm |
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Joined: 16 March 2006 Posts: 20465 Location: Gondolin Country:
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Where and when was I being rude, miss?
And personally, I think that JK Rowling's writing skills are probably even poorer than Paolini's, so that's an odd example.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 12:26 pm |
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Just call me Darky, its easier on the fingers.
You make some excellent points regarding writing etc. And it is somthing you need to work on if you want to be a good writer, or just be able to address a letter. I guess sometimes people are born with a knack for writing, wether its genetics of what.
When I go back a edit and/or re-read the stores I've written, there is alway something I could of added, maybe its a word, or a sentence or a paragraph or an emotion. It's like a movie, you can edit and cut and re-write and do all that your whole life, but you actually have to get it done sometime. Maybe CP should of taken a little longer to do all that, and check the credibility of his work.
I would pass on the chance to publish my works, i know that if I published my unfinished work right now, I would have more haters that CP does. Because my work is not mature enough to be out in the real world. It would be a really bad loss for me if I published my stuff.
Sure, I can understand CP being happy with the work he's done, i was happy with the short stories that I wrote in grade 5, I look back now and see how much my writing has matured and improved. CP hasn't matured enough as a person, and as a writer to have any decent works. He didn't have any experiences, except school, and home.
The great writers of out time had life experiences, Tolkien went through two World Wars, Rowling had to deal with poverty(or near poverty), Shakespear felt the loss of his son and the terrible things that went on during his life time, Lewis had to deal with his friend dieing, and the constant critisism of his work from Tolkien(lol). (And i cant think of any other writers that had to go through bad stuff). These people all had real world experiences that brought real life into their stories and characters. High school drama and cliques doesnt compare.
Wow, this is taking a lot out of me.. *wipes brow*
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 12:40 pm |
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Joined: 09 December 2006 Posts: 981 Location: East Lansing
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Quote: For an English major, you have a fair amount of spelling and punctuation errors...
But no matter... this topic isn't about poor spelling.
Maybe you didn't mean it as such, but i thought that was very rude.
Anyways....
I agree Darky, High School clique's and drama does not compare to everything you mentioned. In fact, CP didn't even have that to go off of because he was home schooled. So he led a very sheltered life which makes his life experiences very limited not to mention he lived in the middle of nowhere, which may or may not be a good thing.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 1:17 pm |
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Joined: 16 March 2006 Posts: 20465 Location: Gondolin Country:
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If you wish to take everything as a rude comment, then be my guest. It's not offending me.
I'm thinking that he had nothing better to do than to write, if he was a secluded little child, but really... did he have to go off and publish his book of compiled... er... other books? It's nice that he wrote a book and all, but if it were me (and many other people) I would just be writing because I love to, not for any sort of money or fame. I just don't think that his work should have been published so early.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 2:48 pm |
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^^Perhaps he was writing just because he loved to do it and someone read it and had it published. It's quite the accusation to say you just wanted to be rich and famous so you wrote this series and you copied everyone else's writing. It's hard to give credit to that arguement.
When most people write anything they take what they know and they spin off of it. Everyone is guilty of it at some time or another. You may think it's completely different and someone else might read it and say that it sounds like this other thing they had read. You write what you know. If all you know is the SW stories and LoTR stories then you're going to draw a lot of your inspiration from there. I'm not saying that you don't have a good point, because I think it is a good point. However, I think this singular point has been beaten into the ground, sort of speak.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 3:30 pm |
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Joined: 16 March 2006 Posts: 20465 Location: Gondolin Country:
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No, but that's the thing... that wasn't all he knew. I see bits and pieces of Norse mythology in his writing, which proves that he knew at least a bit of that. He could have used more of it than other books. He could have incorporated more mythology into his story than SW and Tolkien. It's doable, and it would have been much nicer to read, and way more creative. He's good with words, but he needs a creativity.
And nobody would have forced him to have it published without his consent... isn't it true that his parents own the publishing company that published his book? What does that say? He could have waited to improve his book before publishing it...
I say he copied other people's writings. That isn't just an accusation, it's a plain fact. It isn't only hinted in his books... it shines like a bloody beacon. Look at all those names and the storyline. That isn't original.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 3:35 pm |
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What happened with the publishing bit, was his parents published it with their small family owned company, then whoever publishes it now, came along and re-published it because they were starved for money, lots of companies were making millions on the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter waves, so they wanted to get in on the action.
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Post subject: Posted: July 5th, 2007, 3:37 pm |
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Joined: 16 March 2006 Posts: 20465 Location: Gondolin Country:
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Ah, that makes more sense... thanks Darky.
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