I will. And I won't pick it apart like I did with Eragon.

That is, as long as it isn't like 'Frodo and his friend Samuel took the necklace to Mt. Evil.'

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O.K. Here it is:

Basic info for first book:

~Jaythe Myerdan (main character, age: around 21) lives in Mar (the evil country), training to be a knight in King Arsonath's (the bad guy) forces. He has brown hair pulled back in a short ponytail and steel gray eyes, with a chiseled, hard face. He is extremely blunt and very threatening, and he speaks with intensity. He becomes the best swordmaster in Mar, even surpassing the lords.

~Arsonath is a very powerful sorcerer, who during the "knighting" ceremony casts a spell over each of his knights that enables him to control not only their minds but their bodies as well. Most of his knights are taken from their homes as children, trained to their upmost ability, then have their mind wiped, and all their memories taken away during the knighting ceremony through evil magic. The ceremony takes place in Arsonath's fortress of Trajod, which lies in the ancient and evil Pinewood forest. Arsonath has long jet black hair, a long, narrow, pale face that betrays no sign of age, no beard, crimson eyes (yes, i realize this is the stereotypical bad guy, but it's still cool) and clothes himself in a deep red hooded robe with a flat, thick circlet of silver on his head under the hood. His voice is very deep (like Christopher Lee's.)

~The capital of Mar is a huge Roman-like city called Dorath-jun, which has an extremely large dueling arena like the colluseum (spelling?). One of Jaythe's few friends, Rymoth Bannor, is from this grand city.

~Rymoth is very close to Jaythe's age. He has sandy fine hair, brown eyes, and a light beard cut close to his face. He is a member of a rich, large and very prominent family (the Bannors). They support Arsonath fully, and Rymoth is sent to the army. Rymoth is very calm, and often smiles. He knows Jaythe better than anyone.

~Kyl Forrehst is younger (maybe 19). He practically idolizes Jaythe, and is a dangerous swordsman himself. He has jet black hair around Aragorn's length (but not his style) cut into ragged bangs around his face and intense green eyes. The right side of his face is a mass of scars from where he got his face slashed with a hooked vambrance. (In case you didn't know, a vambrance is armor for the forearms, from the wrist to the elbow.) He is extremely angry pretty much all the time, and is quick to draw his broadsword.

~Mar is preparing to go to war with Asien (good human country) and its ally, Karnin (good elven country). You learn more about these countries in the second book, they don't show up that much in the first one.

~Mar is located in the west, Karnin across the Great River to the Northeast, and Asien across the great River to the East. Kisaam, another nation, is located to the South of Mar. I would post an image of the map, but like I said, I can't post art for some reason.

I'll post the story next time. Have we copied anything yet?

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O.K.: basic story of the first book:

Arsonath is planning to take over the world (naturally, as every bad guy does.) He is building up his mindless human army to prepare for a mass conquering of the world of Ajer. He has almost unlimited resources, including incredible dark sorcery, and plans to use it all in his attack.

The magic makes his army heal unnaturally fast from wounds that would otherwise take a very long time. (But not so fast as like five minutes. The quickened healing would heal something in two days what would take two weeks, and it also heals wounds that would normally lead to amputation.) The magic also makes his army go berserk whenever they attack something. The only person who can defeat Arsonath's magic is the youngest generation in the elven royal family: the Princess Estelwyn.

She has no idea how to use her counteracting powers, and not wanting Arsonath to catch her in her own home, she flees Karnin and disappears.

Arsonath hears a rumor that the princess is in Kisaam, and sends his most skilled swordsmen (Jaythe, Rymoth, and Kyl) to go assasinate her. They basically travel all around Kisaam before discovering the rumor is a lie, and go back home to Mar.

They stay there for a while, awaiting Arsonath's next commands. Jaythe enters a dueling tournament. (and either wins or ties, I don't remember which.) Rymoth gets sent on a short mission right before (this is important later) he gets knighted. Jaythe and Kyl are sent to raid a small village on the north-eastern border of Asien. Rymoth gets captured on his mission by the Asien army and is taken prisoner, so he never gets knighted. (remember this) Jaythe gets sent to go look for the princess again with another guy (not Kyl) on the border of Asien. The guy infuriates him for some reason, and Jaythe, who had never been able to control his anger in the first place, kills him with the heightened effects of Arsonath's berserk magic. Because Jaythe is no longer with someone who has been "knighted", he becomes disoriented and gets captured by the Asien army, as well.

That's the first book. Anything copied?

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I dont think Paolini copied at all from anything and deserves 100% credit for Eragon and Eldest.

I look at it like this:
Eragon is a just a fantasy on its own. the way its written is just...how it is. Its not LOTR, its not SW its Eragon!

I was thinking a couple days ago if CP really didnt mean to copy from LOTR. in fact, I dont see how he copied from LOTR!

I know everyone AU kinda hates Eragon--but Im gonna stick with it. Its just a new fantasy. a fantasy like Narnia, SW, LOTR.

Besides, tell me, is Eragon exactly like SW or LOTR?

^I definitely see a lot of elements borrowed from both LOTR and Star Wars, and some other fantasy series as well. But I actually like Eragon. The fact that he copied doesn't stop me from thinking it's a good book. It just makes me lose some respect for him as an author. To say he didn't copy anything at all..... wouldn't be true. But it doesn't mena it's not a good book. So you see. Not everyone hates it.

I see how he coulda copied SW a lil bit. but I dont really see any relation to LOTR.

Um, immortal elf princess with long black hair and human whose name closely resembles Aragorn's fall in love? I wonder where that comes from?

I still like the books, and they're a good read, but now that I think about it, there's only a few actually creative ideas in there.

Dragon riders = Jedi

Eragon = Luke Skywalker

Garrow= Luke's uncle

Varden = Rebels

Galbatorix = the Sith

Brom = Obie wan Kinobe

Oromis = Yoda

Morzan = Darth Vader (he was twisted by Galbatorix, and he's Murtagh's and Eragon's dad)

Magic = the force

Murtagh = Hans Solo (no intention of bringing down the empire, no intention of joining rebels, but agrees to help Eragon)

And I don't even know that much about Star Wars! Even I realize this! Oh, well, the realization has ruined my absolute love for the books, but I will still continue to sort of like it. Even though the plot is not original, I will consent to like it as a medieval allegory of Star Wars.

Do yall like my cousin's and my story? Is it copying anything? I want your honest opinions, so we can catch any mistakes before we get it published.

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^I think your story is rather fine, though the elf princess being the only one who can defeat the evil magic seems somewhat sterotypical. The whole brainwashing army idea sounds interesting though.

On the topic of Eragon, yes CP took ideas from other sources. But he put them together in a different form. The books are a quick read, something nice to have for just light fantasy. You are not the only person who likes them, TN. I enjoy reading them, though I don't think they are up to the caliber of some of my other favorite books.

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Ha. Good points Sam is my hero. but its not like we're 100% sure he meant to copy from SW.



Dark......that was harsh! I like Eragon and the books....Im sure if you read something bashing LOTR so badly you wouldnt like it. Im not trying to sound mean. but bashing something other ppl may like is a little mean....

I agree that Eragon is incredibly similar to many other stories, but it does have its unique points (few though they may be), and I read and enjoyed the books. However, the plot does mirror Star Wars about 90%. It's basically Star Wars in Middle Earth. Not to mention Eragon is a HUGE Marty-Sam, and it's hard to reallly love a story when you can't stand the main character. (Hello, get OVER Arya already...)

Still, I can get through Eragon and enjoy it. The quest is a basic archetype, and you can't scream LotR every time a new fantasy trilogy comes along. Also, CP was a teenager when he wrote it...give him some credit. I can't write as good as him, and my stories probably have blatant links to other fantasies as well. I'm sure most writers here do.

So...my consensus is that it could go either way. I'm not going to kill myself over it.

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It seems like after the movie came out that everyone started "hating" Eragon.

IMO I love the books. When I started Eragon for my first time I read it for hours and hours late into night. I liked it alot. and Eldest doesnt seem to be copying anything at all.

no thats all right, on this topic, my middle name is harsh. and yes, thats why i put a little disclaimer type thingy at the end of it.

Erm, no check out when I started this...

I'll admit. It was readable. And Eldest reminds me of something I've read. I just can't place it. And that disturbs me, because I said the same thing about Arya.

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Yeah, I really liked Eragon and Eldest, too, until I realized how similar they are to Star Wars. Still, you're right, he did right them when he was a teenager, but so am I, and so is my cousin. Paolini can write well, and he has a magnificent writing style, but he can't come up with any ideas himself! It makes me angry.

Oh well, for those who care, here is the basic info for the second book. I will post the plot later.

Characters:

Jaythe, whom you know.

Rymoth, whom you know.

Vareth, who is a smaller young elf with hobbit-ish red hair that sort of covers his face (all elves have red hair) and blue eyes. He doesn't say much, but he is a good fighter with an elegant short sword.

Banyll, who is a tall elf. (Aged around 23 or 24) He has longer red hair, green eyes, and a more chiseled face. He is always ready to smile, and is a very quick fighter. He is very amiable and easy to get along with. He was sent to Asien from his homeland of Karnin to fight in the alliance.

Gaboth, who is a teen-aged human. He has blonde hair and blue eyes. He is a stable boy and loves animals. He is very mischievous and grins all the time. He's not the best at fighting, but he can get by. He is an orphan whose parents were killed in a raid by Arsonath's army when they set their farm on fire. He has worked for the army ever since.

Eothor, who is the good human King of Asien. He has greying brown hair and a beard, and always has a steely resolve written on his features. His eyes reflect an unwillingness to give up hope, even when all hope is lost. Though you don't see him much, he shows up once or twice.

Basic info about Asien:

It's separated from Mar by the great river, which is Asien's western border. Its eastern border consists of very high and formidible mountains for which we have not found a name yet. Its northern border that separates it from Karnin is the River Lucarno. It's southern border is the beginning of the great forest of the Wilds of Rimara. A branch of the great river whose source is the Mermaid Lake (which is huge) splits the country in half horizontally. This branch contains the Brook of Pearl and the Knives' Gale waterfall. (All of that was useless information, but it's fun for me to write it down)

Asien's capital is Ramodden. It is a city with a high wooden wall around it. Its main square has a large bell tower that houses a bronze bell. It is used for warning the city when there's war and summoning the people to the square. It's a huge cultural symbol.

There are fairies and mermaids in Asien, but they exist mainly because we wanted them to be in our world. They're there more for scenery than anything else. They have no significance. The sirens that live in Pinewood do later, though. They come into play in the third book.

Asien is a mildly wooded country, with some light forests dotted all about it.

Sorry, that was basically alot of useless info, but I wanted to make sure we aren't copying any names of anything.

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Darky my dear... you totally voiced all my thoughts all in one beautiful post. I wonder... how difficult is it to come up with SLIGHTLY more original names?

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That was truly one of the best anti-Eragon posts I have ever read. Thank you for writing that.



My favorite part...

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