That sounds a lot like a real life question to me...why does God allow good people to die? Why are endings so sad sometimes?

Was that maybe the point he wanted to make? That we don't understand everything? *shrugs*

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Really? What makes you think they're so seperate?

You wondered what point Tolkien was trying to get across. But why wouldn't you be willing to accept a point that verged over the "line" of religion? It would be best to accept Tolkien and his conveyings as they are.

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I hope I'm not breaking any rules...for the record, though I mentioned God, this is what I said in answer to the question:
"Was that maybe the point he wanted to make? That we don't understand everything?" That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion.

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Well, I just got the impression that she simply didn't make it to the peak of Meneltarma in time--I mean, many others died, and they had just as much right to live (meaning they were Faithful) as she did, so I don't see that she stands out, though each time I read that bit, I wish that she could've lived.

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yeah, I agree with what you say, Aerandir.
I just guess she didn't make it to the peak of Meneltarma in time unfortunately. I wish she could've lived, too, but I guess that's just the way it goes sometimes. Not all good people can always be saved.

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Well, the arguments aren't bad, but still I'm not convinced that Miriel and Ar-Pharazon loved each other. Why would Ar-Pharazon have married Miriel against her will if they actually loved each other. The fact that both of them didn't marry earlier could well also have been for other reasons and for me it's not a reason to believe that they loved each other. I just think that Ar-Pharazon married Miriel because of his desire for power and didn't think of having children at all, but only of himself.
I think that maybe Miriel didn't rebel against Ar-Pharazon, because she may have felt some duty - not love towards him. He was her husband after all. Also it could be that Miriel was afraid of Ar-Pharazon, because I think that he saw nothing else, but his desire to rule the world and so I think he'd have killed Miriel if she had rebelled against him..

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