How is is possible to eat yourself..? Digusting...
Are those spiders immortal btw?
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| Author: | LOTRLover13 [ June 22nd, 2005, 6:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Ungoliant and Shelob: the same or not |
since reading the Silmarillion i have wondered if Ungoliant and shelob are the same creature. I wonder, anyone have any thoughts. |
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| Author: | Olótiriel [ June 22nd, 2005, 6:54 am ] |
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Shelob was the offspring of Ungoliant. Not necessarily by the first degree, but it is implied. So they are not the same at all, though both are in similar spider form. Ungoliant, "gloomweaver", would have been much larger and she was certainly more evil and powerful. She was likely a spirit like a Maia, though she had taken on evil form and followed Morgoth. She is said to have eaten herself in the the end... |
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| Author: | Cuilwen [ June 22nd, 2005, 2:15 pm ] |
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How is is possible to eat yourself..? Digusting...
Are those spiders immortal btw? |
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| Author: | Elberethsq [ June 22nd, 2005, 4:54 pm ] |
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Hmm, this topic seems familiar - I think it was brought up in the other forum. I'll go check and bring back any information if I can. 
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| Author: | Beriadanwen [ June 22nd, 2005, 6:33 pm ] |
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Yes it was brought up at the old forum. They are related in some way but it's not really specified if Shelob is actually Ungoliant's daughter. I thought she was at first but I'm not so sure now. Okay let me check something... According to my encyclopedia she was actually her daughter. It says that when Beleriand was drowned some of Ungoliants decendants escaped across the Blue Mountains. Shelob was her "one great daughter" and she was one of the surviving. They all went to Greenwood the Great which was renamed Mirkwood largely because of them. Shelob obviously left eventually and came to Cirith Ungol. So it seems like Shelob was her daughter but the spiders of mirkwood were just her ancestors. But it might just be an assumption by the author that Shelob was her actual daughter. I'm gonna try and find something in Tolkien's books... |
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| Author: | Larael [ June 23rd, 2005, 9:17 pm ] |
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I never thought about that......... |
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| Author: | Elberethsq [ June 24th, 2005, 5:25 pm ] |
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MrsDominicMonaghan wrote: Yes it was brought up at the old forum. They are related in some way but it's not really specified if Shelob is actually Ungoliant's daughter. I thought she was at first but I'm not so sure now. Okay let me check something...
According to my encyclopedia she was actually her daughter. It says that when Beleriand was drowned some of Ungoliants decendants escaped across the Blue Mountains. Shelob was her "one great daughter" and she was one of the surviving. They all went to Greenwood the Great which was renamed Mirkwood largely because of them. Shelob obviously left eventually and came to Cirith Ungol. So it seems like Shelob was her daughter but the spiders of mirkwood were just her ancestors. But it might just be an assumption by the author that Shelob was her actual daughter. I'm gonna try and find something in Tolkien's books... Hmm, so it was brought up in the previous forum - I tried looking for it, but I forgot which board it was located at - anyway, you provided us with the details already, and you're always the one who so helpfully passes us the concrete info during such debates like these! Thanks!
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| Author: | Larael [ June 29th, 2005, 8:56 pm ] |
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Here's what trusty Encyclopedia of Arda had to say: The evil creature of spider-form who was Melkor's accomplice in the Darkening of Valinor, and who fled with him to Middle-earth. The creatures that infested the Ered Gorgoroth were her offspring and descendants, as was Shelob who dwelt on the borders of Mordor. So Shelob is Ungoliants duaghter. 
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| Author: | Elu Thingol [ June 29th, 2005, 9:03 pm ] |
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Larael Greenleaf wrote: So Shelob is Ungoliants duaghter.
Not necessarily, Shelob could also be a descendant of Ungoliant. |
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| Author: | Guest [ July 3rd, 2005, 12:44 pm ] |
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Quote: Shelob was the offspring of Ungoliant. Not necessarily by the first degree, but it is implied. So they are not the same at all, though both are in similar spider form. Ungoliant, "gloomweaver", would have been much larger and she was certainly more evil and powerful. She was likely a spirit like a Maia, though she had taken on evil form and followed Morgoth. She is said to have eaten herself in the the end...
Yes that's the truth... |
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| Author: | Iellwen_Eruanna [ July 10th, 2005, 3:05 pm ] |
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I read somewhere that Shelob was the youngest daughter of Ungoliant. |
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| Author: | Antigone [ July 11th, 2005, 3:51 pm ] |
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wow i don't wonder. and they are definetely related |
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| Author: | Larael [ July 11th, 2005, 10:57 pm ] |
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Elu Thingol wrote: Larael Greenleaf wrote: So Shelob is Ungoliants duaghter. Not necessarily, Shelob could also be a descendant of Ungoliant. So sorry thats what I meant. I think...... 
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| Author: | eowynfaramir4eva [ August 5th, 2005, 12:05 am ] |
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Whoa! How could you tell Shelob was the youngest out of all the spiders Ungoliant could have had. Well if the author emphasizes that fact, but I think we all agree she's related to her some how, right?
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| Author: | michstrong [ September 28th, 2023, 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ungoliant and Shelob: the same or not |
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| Author: | michstrong [ September 28th, 2023, 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ungoliant and Shelob: the same or not |
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