Well? According to The Silmarillion, Hurin Thalion was the greatest warrior of the human race. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he was the greatest human. Who do you think was the greatest?

Personally, I think Beren was the best human. His story is so awesome. He stole a Silmaril from Morgoth. That rocks. He is my absolute favorite human of Middle-earth, period.

Tuor is my runner-up, though why, I'm not sure. He's just cool, and he saves the remnant of Gondolin, my favorite city.

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I voted for Beren. He did everything for the right reasons. Don't we all want a hero like that for ourselves?

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Um....I'd really rather be a hero like that. I'd definately want someone like Luthien for myself, but I can't say I'd really want Beren.....

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I voted for Turin, He rocks!! To kill a dragon on ur billy no-mates and to have slain countless orcs is good. But he did have some seriously bad fortune.
All morgoths fault..........

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

A bit of an understatement.
He unknowingly married his sister, killed his best friend, watched a friend get killed by a falling rock, had his sister (and wife I suppose) commit suicide, never see his mother or sister for most of his life, had his father taken to Hell and cursed who he never saw again, and finally had to commit suicide to be rid of his ill-fate.

I wouldn't like to have that laid on me before breakfast...

Turin, Turin and TURIN! He's the best!! yesss!!!

I love him soo much, and his story is sooo sad

Indeed the whole of the Silmarillion is generally a 'Sad' book.

Yeah, I would call the entire book a Tragedy. It certainly doesn't have a happy ending...

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The parts I found most 'not happy' were Turin Turambar, the Ruin of Doriath, The fall of Fingolfin, The Ruin of Beleriand and the fall of Gondolin.
But also the sadest part I found of all was the battle of Unnumbered Tears. The Elves, marshalling all the force pretty much in Beleriand, and attacking Morgoth, and Turgon's forces coming and all very nearly braking Angband, until, becuase of the treachury of some evil Men betray the Elves and slowly all the hosts of the Elves are slain and driven into isolated pockets in Beleriand.
Thus the battle gets its name.

The singular person I feel most sad for is Hurin. Chained up in Thangorodrim for 28 years and watching everything he worked for slain and destroyed, and then finally let free, to wander, as a wraith in the wilderness.

Ditto to all that, Lord of All. The most pity-deserving person is Hurín, the most tragic section the Battle of Unnumbered Tears--the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.

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For me Túrin Turambar is the Greatest Human of the Elder Days. I think his story is incredibly sad and it really touches me. I don't really have good arguments for choosing him, I just saw all these names and immediately thought "it's Túrin"

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His story might be sad and all, but how does that make him the greatest human? I agree, his story is very touching, I just don't see him as great in the same sense as Beren, Tuor, Hurín, etc.

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Well Turin did slay Morgoth in the Dagor Dagorath (last battle and the Day of Doom) and claim revenge for his kin. I guess this counts as a great deed.

Did he? I didn't know that. Where does Tolkien mention that? It's not in The Unfinished Tales or The Silmarillion, so far as I recall, and I don't remember it being in either of the books of Lost Tales, so which book does mention it?

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"Thus spake the prophecy of Mandos, which he declared in Valmar at the judgement of the Gods, and the rumour of it was whispered among all the Elves of the West: when the world is old and the Powers grow weary, then Morgoth shall come back through the Door out of the Timeless Night; and he shall destroy the Sun and the Moon, but Earendel shall come upon him as a white flame and drive him from the airs. Then shall the last battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Melko, and on his right shall stand Fionwe and on his left Turin Turambar, son of Hurin, Conqueror of Fate; and it shall be the black sword of Turin that deals unto Melko his death and final end; and so shall the Children of Hurin and all men be avenged." - The shaping of Middle-earth, HOME

In the Dagor Dagorath Melkor duels with Eonwe and Tulkas but is finally slayed by Turin. Sauron also returns and is slain by Olorin (Gandalf).

Turin is then named amoung the Valar:

"But of Men in that day the prophecy speaks not, save of Turin only, and him it names among the Gods."

Would you rather I created a seperate topic for this?

Nah, I think that was enough, for now. Thanks for the info--I haven't read The Shaping of Middle-earth before.

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