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Author:  *elemmire* [ February 10th, 2007, 11:52 pm ]
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Okay, this has always kinda bothered me...

How come in the Hobbit the elves are these manically singing jolly people, and then in LotR they're...well, they still sing and stuff, but they're more serious? Did they suddenly become depressed or something???
Author:  Ánië Súrion [ February 11th, 2007, 2:28 am ]
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I think it might be because The Hobbit is supposed to be a children's book, generally a happy, fun adventure story. So the Elves would naturally be more jolly - forgive my use of a very un-Elf-like word, please - in this simpler children's story then in The Lord of the Rings, where the whole fate of Middle-earth and its peoples is at stake. Wouldn't you become much more grave and serious if this happened to you?
Author:  Aerandir [ February 11th, 2007, 3:08 am ]
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Ditto to what Anie said. Plus, in The Lord of the Rings it mentions that some of the Elves sing and laugh all of the time, but those are only some of them. So I guess those are the ones we saw in The Hobbit. And, if you remember, the Wood Elves weren't like that, only the ones at Rivendell.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ February 11th, 2007, 6:24 am ]
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^
yeah exactly. In LotR we get to see the more serious elves most of the time whereas in the Hobbit we get to see the laughing and singing elves. And also in LotR Sam says that some of them do still laugh and sing.
Author:  Aerandir [ February 11th, 2007, 10:40 am ]
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That's what I was referring to. Some of them are very merry, yet others are sober and sorrowful.
Author:  *elemmire* [ February 11th, 2007, 12:09 pm ]
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Ok, that makes sense. It just seemed kind of weird when I first read the books.
Author:  Aerandir [ February 11th, 2007, 12:12 pm ]
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Ditto. I thought about it for a while before I came up with my explanation.
Author:  Eä [ February 12th, 2007, 2:32 pm ]
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*nodnod*
The whole Middle-earth stands on the brink of destruction-perspective isn't the most jolly and happy.... time for a bit of seriousness. :P
Author:  Aerandir [ February 12th, 2007, 3:31 pm ]
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Very well said, Ea. :) I can't consider many people thinking happy thoughts about it, unless said person is Sauron...
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ February 13th, 2007, 11:30 am ]
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yeah, that was a really unhappy and dark time. There weren't many reasons for being happy at all.
Author:  Aerandir [ February 13th, 2007, 3:51 pm ]
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Well, besides Bilbo's Birthday party, that is. :)
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ February 14th, 2007, 1:51 pm ]
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well yeah. And the ending has some quite happy parts as well e.g. the time in Minas Tirith after the War of the Ring.
Author:  Aerandir [ February 15th, 2007, 4:15 am ]
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Yeah, it does. But if you go forward a few years, it's bittersweet. Frodo leaves, Gandalf leaves, and the Fellowship is finally broken. :( But....it's still a really happy section of the book, too.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ February 15th, 2007, 7:46 am ]
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yeah, that's why I said, that only parts of the ending are really happy, because the very ending of the book as a bittersweet mood in my opinion.
Author:  Aerandir [ February 15th, 2007, 8:05 am ]
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Which I like. I like the bittersweet ending. If it was a happy ending, it would seem too perfect.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ February 15th, 2007, 9:37 am ]
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Yes, me too. I can only agree. A happy ending just would be too perfect. But the bittersweet ending shows that sacrifies have to be made in order to achieve something as great as what has been achieved in LotR.
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