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 Post subject: Arwen Undomiel or Arwen Evenstar
PostPosted: June 4th, 2005, 1:17 pm 
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Okay.........I've read LotR like a million times but I still don't understand this one thing. Why is Arwen called two different things? (Arwen Undomiel and Arwen Evenstar) Do they mean different things? Or the same thing in Elven or something.........can someone please help me with this? :confused:


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PostPosted: June 4th, 2005, 1:19 pm 
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Undomiel is Elvish for Evenstar. So people call Arwen, Arwen Undomiel, or Arwen Evenstar. It's the same thing ;)

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Yes, Undómiel translates Evenstar and is a title given to Arwen because of her beauty. "She is the Evening Star of her people".

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Yesh, exactly. Hope we could be of some help to you.

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Yay, my mother asked me the same question and I gave her the same answer. So I was right. *looks around and feels good*
Arwen Undomiel, I love that name...


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Yupses. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's her last name, just like people say Legolas' last name is Greenleaf. Also, a lot of people forget that Evenstar is short for Evening Star, so they pronounce it Eh-vehn-star instead of Ee-vehn-star.

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PostPosted: June 4th, 2005, 2:21 pm 
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Legolas = Leafgreen

Leafgreen Greenleaf...


How funny ^.^

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Yup! As everyone has explained; Undomiel is the elvish translation of Evenstar. She is the Evening Star because of her dark beauty.

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PostPosted: June 5th, 2005, 6:07 pm 
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Thanks everyone that info was most helpful!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hug:


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ahhh undomiel, the evenstar of her people. her foremother tinniviel was the morning star and was also known for her dark beauty and thus arwen who it was said walked in the image of her foemother, and her fate was alike sadly . and she was called the evenstar, last born of her people.
The morning star and the evening star both faced the same doom in many ways, it is sad really. that two of the fairest ever said to live should die because of their love of a mortal and be doomed to death and after to be sent to where mortals drift whn the long sleep takes them. aragorn first mistaked arwen for tinniviel calling to her "tinniviel, tinniviel" and she stopped and turned to him and spoke. "why do you call me by that name?" and aragorn responded "because if you are indeed not she then you walk in her likeness". ok im ranting lol i know alot about arwen,aragorn,tinniviel and galadriel lol.

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Thanks Lady Alias!!!!!!!!!!!!


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lol no problem you picked a subject i know alot about lol

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PostPosted: June 8th, 2005, 6:19 pm 


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Legolas = Leafgreen

Leafgreen Greenleaf...


How funny ^.^


haha yeah that is


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Actually, Legolas means what his last name is. "greenleaf".

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Oh, this eternal subject on elven names... ;-)
Well, elves don't have last names in the sense we use it and I don't think that was what you meant either, Arien Elensar.... :angel:
If anything they have 'titles' like Elrond Peredhil (which translates into Half-elven because of his blood-line), Arwen Undómiel (translates into Evening Star because of her beauty), Lúthien Tinúviel (translates into Nightingale because of her beautiful voice).

Legolas is called Greenleaf in the Common Tongue.... but now I think of I can't remember any good reason for that? Is there a reason why Tolkien writes Legolas Greenleaf while speaking of him? Why wouldn't he simply use Thranduilion (son of Thranduil)?

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PostPosted: June 10th, 2005, 11:26 pm 
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Yeah, I had just written that as a quick post and didn't really pay attention to my wording. Sorry. Both titles were used for Legolas but by different people so maybe the way they speak is different. Well, Legolas is from what was once called Greenwood the Great so I can see why greenleaf would work and also it sort of goes with the atmosphere or his father and Mirkwood.

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