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| Author: | Ardanwen [ July 22nd, 2008, 11:22 am ] |
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heey guys! I dont know if this is told you in an other topic before but... while I was watching again "the fellowship of the ring" I did see something's wrong. Saruman took Gandalfs staff while they were fighting in Isengard. a moment later when they are at the Council of Elrond, Gandalf got his staff back. while Saruman still got it... strange, isn't it? or have I missed something? |
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| Author: | ~Mereneth~Ithilwen~ [ July 22nd, 2008, 1:11 pm ] |
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I noticed that before, but I always thought that he somehow managed to "steal" it from Saruman. But you never actually see what happens to his staff... That's a really interesting question...But I think they never explain how he got it back... Maybe he didn't get it back at all, maybe he got a new staff... But I don't really know....that's gonna bug me forever now...lol |
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| Author: | Johnny's Fan [ July 22nd, 2008, 4:20 pm ] |
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Yeah, I've always wondered that as well. Perhaps he was able to conjure it away from Saruman when he left Orthanc - if he had done it before Saruman would probably have noticed it was missing. Or could he have made himself another one and then made it a weapon for magic? Or is it the staff itself that holds the magic and not just some spells you could say over a twig? He's Gandalf. I try not to question what he can do. 
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| Author: | ~Mereneth~Ithilwen~ [ July 22nd, 2008, 6:43 pm ] |
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I think it's Gandalf that holds the power/magic and that the staff is just one of his weapons...like Aragorn was very strong, but only through his sword he could use the strength...If you know what I mean.... Probably Elrond made a new one for him...because you don't see the staff for quite some time and when it turns up again they're at the council, which means that they had been in Rivendell for some time already, so maybe the Elves were able to make a new one for him...or he really just...stole it back from Saruman... Now that's bugging me...I want to know how he got it back... 
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| Author: | Ardanwen [ July 23rd, 2008, 10:52 am ] |
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perhaps he did make a new one, but then is the question: why doesn't he have a staff in the beginning of the council and at the end he has? how ever, he could have made a new one. and I also agree with you about Gandalfs power, and not the staff who has power. if that would be so, everyone could be a wizard (perhaps a bad one, but okay) |
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| Author: | Precious [ September 21st, 2008, 12:32 pm ] |
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Well, he is magic on his own too, just his power (I think) is channeled through his staff. Maybe. |
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| Author: | Jax Nova [ October 13th, 2008, 11:51 am ] |
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I've noticed that before as well. I always assumed he made or acquired a new one. But who knows.... maybe it was just a mistake by the filmakers. I assumed that after that he would come up with a new one that looked different but when he showed up with one that looked egsactily the same I was kind of wondering about it. *shrugs* |
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| Author: | mephiston, lord of death [ January 3rd, 2010, 10:11 pm ] |
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Precious wrote: Well, he is magic on his own too, just his power (I think) is channeled through his staff.
Maybe. This is, in most fiction, the purposes of staffs and wands for wizards. They act as tools to channel the wixards own abilties onto their target; which is why they tend to be made of woods traditionally associated with certain types of personality. So, a hermit type wizard such as Radagast would most lilkey have a staff of oak, since oak is not only one of th egreat trees of a fores,t but also because it represents wisdom and venerability, in the same way that cypress if I remmber rightly has an association with death and dark magic. |
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| Author: | mephiston, lord of death [ January 3rd, 2010, 10:11 pm ] |
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Precious wrote: Well, he is magic on his own too, just his power (I think) is channeled through his staff.
Maybe. This is, in most fiction, the purposes of staffs and wands for wizards. They act as tools to channel the wixards own abilties onto their target; which is why they tend to be made of woods traditionally associated with certain types of personality. So, a hermit type wizard such as Radagast would most lilkey have a staff of oak, since oak is not only one of th egreat trees of a fores,t but also because it represents wisdom and venerability, in the same way that cypress if I remmber rightly has an association with death and dark magic. |
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| Author: | Rinoa Amarth [ January 7th, 2010, 1:04 am ] |
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I have wondered about this too. lol. I think... I always concluded, way down there in my subconscious, that a new identical staff was made to replace the one he had lost. Though this is Gandalf we are talking about so he might have conjured it back. 
Man... Now I am going to be stuck on this for the next few days. XD |
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| Author: | AndroO1989 [ June 8th, 2010, 8:28 am ] |
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Well he probably got a new staff, I think that the wizards staff isn't something that is so important, it's more something like an object that channels his mind power. So he has probably just sent a "request" to the Valar or he made one himself 
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| Author: | Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 8th, 2010, 1:20 pm ] |
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Heh. I'm pretty sure it was just a minor error. Not a huge one... but one nonetheless. |
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| Author: | Rinoa Amarth [ June 10th, 2010, 2:30 am ] |
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I looked at some picture's of Gandalf's staff before and after Isengard and noticed some differences in the staff's design. This has officially made me believe that he obtained a new staff after his encounter with Saruman. Before: 
After: 
Instead of the branches (I am going to call them) going upwards like the original... after Isengard the branches now go to one side. I can only assume dear Gandalf had his pipe remade as well since Saruman stole it along with his original staff. Until Gandalf tells me otherwise that is what I am going with. XP |
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| Author: | Precious [ June 28th, 2010, 1:49 pm ] |
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Yes!! I noticed that, too. |
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| Author: | Aiwendil [ April 1st, 2011, 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gandalf staff |
I never noticed any of this! But the fact that he escaped fighting Saurman and he didn't have the staff shows that he got a new one. Right? |
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| Author: | Rat_and_the_Raven [ August 26th, 2011, 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gandalf staff |
... A Wizard did it! 
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