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PostPosted: January 11th, 2007, 9:15 pm 
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To clarify: when I said "loser" I meant someone who goes out of their way to hurt you, who outright betrays and turns on you. Yes, I have had friends like this. No, this does not mean I hate them. It just means I give up the friendship.

Also, I do not mean to "preach" or "shove my religion" in anyone's face. However, you cannot expect me to be completely silent about my beliefs. It's not going to happen. I would hate myself if I never talked about it. Also, I find it interesting that the time the bisexuals were proclaiming what they were, everyone said "wow, it's so great that you're speaking up for what you believe in" while when Christians speak out they get told to shut up. Just a thought.

Amoniel, I'm sorry you're depressed. I know that failure, even if it's not your fault, is hard. *hugs Amoniel*

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Amoniel wrote:
^I agree, i don't like it when people shove there religions at me and personally i like the No Religion Rule. I'm sorry that i posted something religious in my last post! So lets all try to refrain from talking about our Religions. Not everyone is Christian, Jewish, Morman, Muslim, etc. so lets just keep our religious opinions seperate!

btw. I'm even more depressed now. I failed my behind-the-wheel driving test. It kinda sucks.


I agree with no-religion discussing. No more for me. But I can't take back what I said before, because that's really what I believe. (that wasn't meant to offend anyone though!)

Awww, you failed your test?? That stinks!! :( :( :hug: I haven't taken my driving test yet, but I'll probably do terrible; I'm not good with directing big, fast vehicles :confused2:

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Uh, not meaning to be a stickler, but I missed what our topic was. What are we supposed to be talking about?

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Erm... I think it was origionally how do girls think differently than guys. However, we may need a new one now.

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I'll start a new one!

Pick me, pick me! *raises hand in air and waves around*

Ummmm... let's see... now think think think Joy Lizzie... wot would be a good topicy for the gentlewomens to discuss? Aha! I have just the thing.

The women's lib movement brought with it many good things which we cannot deny. Women were no longer the underdogs at home, and were looked at with honor and respect.

However, a lot of women think things have gone a bit too far. Here is an example...

All across the USA, girls are clamoring that if they reinstate the draft (which someday, they most likely will) then they should draft GIRLS too!!

What do you think?

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No, personally war is not the place for women. They can find ways to serve otherwise. But that's just my opinion.

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I think women can fight in wars...not much different than if a man did, that is, if they are willing to fight for their Country.


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Personally, I don't think there should be a draft at all, but I guess since the draft may come back again one day, it would be only fair to include women too. I wouldn't want to be drafted though :confused2:

On the other hand, if they drafted both men AND women, then who would stay home with the kids and to work?

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^Which is why they probably wouldn't draft women. I don't think it's being sexist if they're doing it so the women can raise their families. Now enlisting...that's different. I don't think they could stop a woman who enlisted. But as for drafting, if they need the numbers and they're not getting enough volunteer support, then I suppose it's all right. How else would you win?


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I just think it's a bad idea... but it looks like it might happen. What I heard was women that were preganant or had a child under 4 years would be exempt. The older children would live with their grandparents. Read more here...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/ ... aft01.html

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I just think it's a bad idea... but it looks like it might happen. What I heard was women that were preganant or had a child under 4 years would be exempt. The older children would live with their grandparents. Read more here...

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/ ... aft01.html


GRANDPARENTS??? :blink: :blink: Well, I would hate if I had to live with my grandparents! I mean, I love them, but one of my grandmas is really ill, and the other one isn't in the best of health either =/ I think if they do have women included in the draft, they should exempt any women with children under the age of 16 AT LEAST.

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^^And where is that article from? What country? (Just curious...in Canada there's no talk of drafting)


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they should exempt any women with children under the age of 16 AT LEAST.



They do. They don't draft men either under the age of 18.



As to answer the question...

I'm afraid that the selfish part of women are trying to draw both cards here. The card that women don't do that kind of work, but also the card women are still equal. Aren't we equals to men? Are you saying that because women should stay home and take care of the kids that women shouldn't have jobs so they can take care of the kids? No. Women should be put into the draft just like men are, if we truly are equals. Not saying I would want to be drafted, but it makes sense to me.

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I think no one can escape war, and women belong in conflicts as much as men, but as for actually fighting on the front lines, I don't think women should be allowed to unless they prove beyond a doubt they could cope. I'm not refering to mental strength, as I think we're equal to men, if not better in that sense, but the reality is that women just aren't as strong as men, and the physical aspect can't be ignored. Our place isn't at home, but there are places that women weren't ever meant to go and vice versa, and no matter how PC everything gets, there always will be.

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I just read an article about female guards in the concentration camps during WW2. The part women played in the masacres and abuse in the camps has been greatly denied or at least concealed, partly because of the argument of women being the bearers of the future as they carry the children. Society - or the world - needs to believe in a brighter future and therefore women had been glorified, it said. However, this new research claimed that women could be as cruel as the male guards, if not worse and they showed no sign of empathy or remorse. After the war one of the female guards was convicted for having killed a girl by kicking her to death....
Well, this discussion just reminded me of the article... I don't believe in the whole drafting system, it's old-fashioned. No one should be forced to do military service. Today, wars are not fought with millions of soldiers with spears and pitchforks, but with politics and technologies. Being a soldier is a full-time job as well as other kinds of jobs, you get an education in the army and get paid for the job you do. This should be equal for both men and women.

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^I agree there, about the fact that the draft is old-fashioned, I don't believe in it. However (to Wingfoot), I think that both men and women, if drafted, would end up being tested, and given their respective places, and if they can't cope be sent home, but I think it should be both sexes, not just women.

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