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Post subject: The Evenstar Posted: November 3rd, 2007, 3:18 am |
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HiHi.
I was just wondering while watching LOTR(again) and i just wondered,besides being some love token,what exactly is the Evenstar?And when it grows dimmer,it means Arwen is turning mortal(in movie)??
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Post subject: Posted: November 3rd, 2007, 8:45 am |
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Actually, in the book there's no really mention of the Evenstar has seen in the movie.
Tolkien just mention a jewel Arwen wore around her neck and that she finally gave to Frodo at Minas Tirith, saying that (stop me if I'm wrong) it will basically help him to go to Valinor, thus he's sorta taking her place on the ship...
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Post subject: Posted: November 3rd, 2007, 2:36 pm |
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Nessameldë, you're right, except, from the way I interpreted the part where Arwen gives the jewel to Frodo, it merely symbolizes her giving him her place in Valinor, but has no actual quality that will aid him.
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Post subject: Posted: November 3rd, 2007, 4:41 pm |
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Yep Aerandir, I explained clearly what I mae all messy!
Here's exactly Tolkien's word about this jewel:
Quote: …But the Queen Arwen said: 'A gift I will give you. For I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him now when he departs to the Havens; for mine is the choice of Lúthien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter. But in my stead you shall go, Ring-bearer, when the time comes, and if you then desire it. If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West, until all your wounds and weariness are healed. But wear this now in memory of Elfstone and Evenstar with whom your life has been woven!' And she took a white gem like a star that lay upon her breast hanging upon a silver chain, and she set the chain about Frodo's neck. 'When the memory of the fear and the darkness troubles you,' she said, 'this will bring you aid.'…
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Post subject: Posted: November 5th, 2007, 10:48 am |
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ya i did read the book...just tht i thought i didnt read anything abt it thts why...and yup i agree readin the book is much enjoyable=))
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Post subject: Posted: November 5th, 2007, 10:56 am |
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w00t for exact quotes! Thanks, Nessameldë!
K, so it was actually merely a keepsake, to remind him of Aragorn and Arwen.
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Post subject: Posted: November 5th, 2007, 12:12 pm |
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Yep, and pretty much a soothing present to ease his pain and wearyness I guess...
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Post subject: Posted: November 5th, 2007, 1:17 pm |
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Well, to be honest, I don't think his pain and weariness would trouble him nearly so much when he was in Valinor. I imagine that they would be pretty far from his mind, most of the time. Of course, his ill memories would take more time to heal, so the jewel might have helped with reminding him of the better things of Middle-earth, as well.
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Post subject: Posted: November 5th, 2007, 1:17 pm |
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Well, to be honest, I don't think his pain and weariness would trouble him nearly so much when he was in Valinor. I imagine that they would be pretty far from his mind, most of the time. Of course, his ill memories would take more time to heal, so the jewel might have helped with reminding him of the better things of Middle-earth, as well.
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Post subject: Posted: November 11th, 2007, 5:14 am |
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yeah I agree, but I think while Frodo was still in Middle-Earth the Evenstar might have helped him to ease his pain and weariness a bit, because while he was still in Middle-Earth I think he was troubled a lot by it and the Evenstar might've reminded him that there's still a chance for him to be healed and that he also made good experiences on his quest.
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Post subject: Posted: November 13th, 2007, 11:21 am |
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Agreed, but I don't think that it had any healing powers in and of itself.
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Post subject: Posted: November 13th, 2007, 11:48 am |
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no, definitely not. It's just that it reminded Frodo of good experiences and his friends and that's how it helped him.
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Post subject: Posted: January 27th, 2008, 3:52 pm |
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I thought the Evenstar fading meant that Arwen was dying.
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Post subject: Posted: January 28th, 2008, 12:46 pm |
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yeah, the way it's explained in the movie it does really look like that. Of course you could also say it's because Arwen became mortal, but the way Elrond says that the light of the Evenstar is fading and that Arwen is dying implies that the fading of the Evenstar represents that Arwen was going to die
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Post subject: Posted: January 29th, 2008, 10:43 am |
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hmm yeah and I don't actually see a special connection between Arwen and Sauron/the Ring that would make her weak but not the others. I mean, if she had been the keeper of one of the three rings that'd have been a different thing.
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Post subject: Re: The Evenstar Posted: June 9th, 2011, 7:33 pm |
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I didn't think that Arwen was becoming mortal. In the book that is. I don't remember her being given the choice by the Valar. And when she said that she made the same choice as Luthien, I think she ment that it was to wed a mortal. She did live longer than Aragorn. I think it says she went back to where Lothlorien was.
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