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Post subject: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 10th, 2013, 4:49 pm |
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Hello everyone. I woke up today with a crazy vow to myself to learn elvish before I turn 30 -I am 25- . I need help on where to being and where can I get all the help to learn elvish? Thanks...
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 19th, 2013, 8:02 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 19th, 2013, 9:10 pm |
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On A-U there's an Elvish section where you can learn useful elvish phrases like hello, and goodbye.
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call me Fin, Ara, Aralas, Tulisse, or Tuli. ~A mahta tenna qualme! Auta i lome, aure entuluva!~ was known as aralas_29.
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 19th, 2013, 9:12 pm |
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Yeah and hilarious insults for annoying brothers
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 20th, 2013, 4:14 am |
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aralas_29 wrote: On A-U there's an Elvish section where you can learn useful elvish phrases like hello, and goodbye. Lovely but how can I deeper in the language ???
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 20th, 2013, 11:07 am |
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 20th, 2013, 11:10 am |
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Thanks so much I meant to learn it as a 4th Language because it's mystical. P.S. What's Neo-elvish?
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 20th, 2013, 11:14 am |
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The FAQ describes Neo-Elvish briefly (although I'm not sure the specific term is employed there)...
... and Elvish as She Is Spoke goes into more depth.
For myself, I also use 'Neo-elvish' to describe anything not constructed by Tolkien himself. The films, for example, employ plenty of Neo-elvish, mixed in with actual Elvish from Tolkien's mind and pen.
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 20th, 2013, 11:26 am |
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This sounds and feel like magic. How long to took you to learn Elvish?
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 21st, 2013, 7:52 am |
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But I have not learned Elvish... or as the FAQ above notes, it depends upon what you mean by 'learn' Elvish in any case. Quote: How do I learn Quenya and Sindarin?
That depends on what you mean by "learn". If you mean "learn" in the sense in which one can "learn German" or "learn Japanese", then the short answer is that you can't; see the previous question.
If you mean "learn" in the sense of "learn Gothic" or "learn" any other fragmentarily-preserved, non-living language, then one answer is to read well-researched, thoroughly documented, purely descriptive articles and discussions about the languages, based upon Tolkien's writings and free from artificial, utilitarian agendas; and to do so in conjunction with an independent examination of the data cited to verify claims. But the best way to engage with Tolkien's art-languages is to simply study this evidence for yourself, to read and ponder Tolkien's own compositions and commentaries.
It must be remembered that Tolkien is the sole and final authority on his languages; anything not written by Tolkien is strictly speaking not Quenya or Sindarin, but is simply more or less reasonable conjecture based on a selective set of data and supposed facts derived from them.
FAQ E.L.F. So my short answer is: that I have studied both Quenya and Sindarin a bit, and think I know only some things about these languages; but they can never be learned in the sense that one can learn German or Spanish, for two examples.
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 21st, 2013, 8:13 am |
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Elthir wrote: So my short answer is: that I have studied both Quenya and Sindarin a bit, and think I know only some things about these languages; but they can never be learned in the sense that one can learn German or Spanish, for two examples. Good but why the one can't learn them as English or Spanish? I will try my luck with both Quenya and Sindarin. P.S. Where did you get to learn them?
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 22nd, 2013, 6:10 pm |
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Quote: Good but why the one can't learn them as English or Spanish? You can't learn any Elvish language in the sense of being able to speak it fluently [unlike English or Spanish]... Tolkien himself could not speak Quenya or Sindarin, nor was it his aim to have Sindarin or Quenya be spoken fluently by anyone. It's all in the FAQ, and especially in more detail in the linked article Elvish as She Is Spoke.
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 22nd, 2013, 7:15 pm |
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I don't exactly "know" Elvish either, although I'd like to know how to speak many phrases. I just know 'I hate you' 'Farewell' 'Go kiss an Orc' and a few greetings
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: March 23rd, 2013, 5:27 am |
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Elthir wrote: You can't learn any Elvish language in the sense of being able to speak it fluently [unlike English or Spanish]... Tolkien himself could not speak Quenya or Sindarin, nor was it his aim to have Sindarin or Quenya be spoken fluently by anyone.
It's all in the FAQ, and especially in more detail in the linked article Elvish as She Is Spoke.
I got it now. Thanks . I wish if he wanted to be a full language. I think his love for English and other languages did not want him to go further :/ . aralas_29 wrote: I don't exactly "know" Elvish either, although I'd like to know how to speak many phrases. I just know 'I hate you' 'Farewell' 'Go kiss an Orc' and a few greetings 'Go kiss an Orc' what an angry phrase I would love that too, I would love to say "May I kiss you Hot dwarf" lol .
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: May 5th, 2013, 7:02 am |
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I´m learning Quenya at the moment. I use this course but I don´t think that it will help you - except you speak German well. http://www.lambion-ardava.de/Downloads/queThkom.pdf
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Post subject: Re: Help! How can can I learn elvish? Posted: May 5th, 2013, 7:49 am |
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I will use website translation .
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