Okay, now that we're talking about the characters again, I thought I'd go ahead and post my response to a
really old post someone made on this board
. I'm not a total Gwen-lover, understand, but IMO, anyway, some of the people who don't like her can be overly harsh, so I thought I'd give a
hopefully civil counter-argument. One warning- it's quite long, as the original post was extensive, so be patient
. Now then, here we go:
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- Day One. So, that's how many people dead on her first day of work?
- Ghost Machine. The gun scene. Gwen's supposed to be a police officer. And she doesn't know how to shoot a gun?
Shouldn't that be basic?
- Cyberwoman. The closet. So, Rhys is still her boyfriend, she obviously wishes she was with Jack, and then she ends up snogging Owen. *shakes head sadly*
- Countrycide. The 'who you last snogged' game. See as oblivious!Gwen manages to hurt Tosh and Ianto's feelings... and then leaves to go discuss her OWN feelings with Owen.
- Greeks Bearing Gifts. Instead of being sad for Tosh, she yells at her. But Gwen cares, doesn't she? 0____o
- They Keep Killing Suzie. I really do love how Gwen, apparently forgetting that Suzie is a) dead and b) a murderer, takes Suzie out for a ride.
- Combat. Gwen, who cares so much about Rhys, Retcons him after admitting that she's been cheating on him. Cowardly much?
- End of Days. She stunguns Rhys while he's cleaning the oven. Cruel. And then locks him in the Weevil cells. ...? Shouldn't she be watching him, if she cared that much? And then she sits with Jack while he's dead, like she didn't just help almost destroy the world.
- Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. "No one else will have me." First of all, this scene doesn't fit with anything that's happened so far. And then she does the cow eyes... She's horribly disgusting when she's setting Jack up to tell her he loves her.
- Meat. The holier-than-thou speech. It's even more hilarious when you go back to Combat, when she actually does Retcon Rhys. Her selfishness makes me laugh.
- Something Borrowed. Despite the fact that people are going to get hurt if she goes ahead with the wedding, she does. Because SHE has to marry Rhys, and who cares if some people die because of it? And then she would've kissed Jack. At her wedding. Janto or not, that's just wrong.
- Adrift. Jack tells her no, she demands to know, and eventually ends up ruining the poor woman's life. Gwen, who cares...
- Fragments. Hah. She overslept.
- Exit Wounds. Her grand plan for getting Cardiff back together was to have the police go door-to-door and say 'it's gonna be OK.' Sounds like that's going to accomplish a lot.
Point One- Yes, that
was pretty stupid of her to do, but Owen, IMO anyway, was being a total a**
, which is why she tossed him the tool in the first place.
Point Two- You must have missed the reason she gave for not knowing how to use a gun. She said she worked
on the beat, e.g. on the street, she was
not part of a SWAT team (or whatever the UK/Welsh counterpart of that force is) that makes busts and is used as the last line of offense when all other options have been tried, but failed to do the job.
Point Three- Ummm.., that was the only way they could muffle the sound of their breathing when Lisa was trying to hunt everyone down and "delete" them
, and it was
Owen's idea, besides B|.
Point Four- I can only provide a counterargument to half of this, because I don't remember just who suggested the game. Anyway, at the time, she
did not know that Tosh had feelings for Owen, none of them did, in fact.
Point Five- Uh, exactly
when did she yell at her B/? And she apologized at the very end for what she'd done (sleeping with Owen),
remember B|?
Point Six- That comes down to simply trusting the wrong person. No one else knew Suzie was planning to steal Gwen's life force from her so
she could live, and they only figured it out after she and Suzie had already left :|.
Point Seven- Cowardly? Uh, no B|. More like following protocol. She told Rhys all about what she actually did, and Torchwood employees aren't supposed to share that with outsiders. She had no choice but to Retcon Rhys. Besides, she admitted the affair with Owen to him, give her credit for doing
that, at least, sheesh =/!
Point Eight- Oh for goodness sake |B! She did all that to
save his life! It didn't work, as it turned out, but that wasn't
her fault; she had no way of knowing Bilis would take events into his own hands in order to force everyone to open the Rift all the way. He was an evil man, and a tempter, to boot. As for her supposedly ignoring Rhys after bringing him to the Hub, she was
working. While Jack gave her the okay to bring him, Jack most likely would have expected her to see to her duties as a team member, despite that, and that's exactly what she did.
Point Nine- That didn't make sense to me either, but if anyone is to blame for that continuity error (I
think that's what it qualifies as), it's the writers.
Point Ten- As in when she confronts Jack at the end of the episode and flatly says she won't Retcon Rhys again, and if any of the others do it, she'd quit? I see nothing wrong with that. He helped them with the case, so he should get some gratitude for doing so. It also improves Gwen's character, IMO, leastways. For me, it showed she had begun to value her relationship with Rhys, and wanted to continue with it.
Point Eleven- About her insisting on going on with the wedding- again, doing so showed that her love for Rhys was growing stronger. Mmmm..., I don't think if that had
really been Jack, she would have kissed him, chiefly because he wouldn't have given her the opportunity to do so. My theory on that scene and Gwen's behavior is this: that Nostrovite, after shapeshifting to look like Jack, seduced her somehow, like with pheromones or something, and brought the feelings she had for Jack to the surface, which is why she acted the way she did.
Point Twelve- Not necessarily the right thing for her to do, no, but it all stemmed from a distrust of Jack. I mean, wouldn't
you have become a bit suspicious if he arrived right after that beam of light snatched up Jonah? I know
I would have! And that suspicion of him would only increase with the way he aggressively refused to let her investigate what had happened. I mean, what about that event, and the similar ones to it, did Jack feel needed to be hidden? For those who've seen the episode, you know
exactly what.
Point Thirteen- Ummm..., what exactly is your problem with
that 8/? So she overslept, big deal (unless it is/was your wish that she and possibly Rhys both died, since you obviously don't like Gwen much B|) 8|.
Point Fourteen- That was
exactly the right thing for her to do, IMO B|! Having people run around in a panic would have made it nearly
impossible for her and the rest of the team to get the situation under control B/! And the losses, both for the team
and Cardiff, would likely have been worse than they were as a result B|.
Tar-Dis-
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bringing them back would destroy the sacrifice they both made. It would have all been pointless, really.
Mmmm..., maybe, unless, in at least Owen's case, it were something like the idea I came up with for the upcoming season's five-episode story (all copy & pasted from a post I made about it on the
Torchwood forum I visit):
Episode 1: Starts out like "Combat", with a rash of attacks that look to be the work of Weevils, and the team has to figure out whether or not that is actually the case.
Episode 2: The team determines that Weevils are
indeed the cause of the attacks. As they get further into the investigation, however, the team notices something unusual about the attacks that gives them pause, and they look into it.
Episode 3: One of them realizes certain people in certain businesses are being targeted, as if the Weevils responsible are being instructed to do so. From there, he or she realizes that not only is that
exactly what's going on, but Owen, rather than finally dying when the coolant in the nuclear plant reached him, actually mutated into a Weevil himself (hence, we finally get a possible piece of info about the Weevils' origin), because of the energy left in him after his encounter with Death; thus, in his capacity as "Weevil King", Owen's the one giving the orders.
Episode 4: The team tries to figure out what the reasons behind "Weevil Owen"'s reign of terror are. For some reason, Gwen is then called on to help in a large capacity in one of two ways: (1) being impulsive, and figuring that she'll be able to reason with Owen like she did in "Ghost Machine", in spite of his radical physical (and very likely mental) transformation, Gwen volunteers to seek him and his army out, or (2) for some reason or other, she's kidnapped and taken to him. In either case, but
especially if it's reason two, Rhys, being the loving husband he is, will naturally volunteer to help rescue her. Also, the figuring out of Owen's reasons for his actions might involve a bit of time-travel, so, based on the info someone on here gave that they read or heard James Marsters, who played Captain John, would be in London filming later on in the year, Jack's former boyfriend may also show up
.
Episode 5: The final face-off with "Weevil Owen" and his soldiers, and the resolution of the story (hopefully). Assuming the appearances of Freema Ageyman and Noel Clarke are more than just rumor, Martha and Mickey may have some important role to play in this episode.
Now, I think those ideas could make for a pretty compelling story, don't you
?
MontanaBohemian- JUNE???!! Seriously? Eek Dear god, that's just wrong. WHYYYYYY?????
Ummm..., because they can, and are absolute sadists
?
Dear god, that's just wrong. WHYYYYYY????? 
Hmmmmmmmm. YAY ME!
Except I blamed that on Owen. 
. I'm sure a number of people would disagree, but in all honesty, I think now that Gwen is married to Rhys, she isn't going to be "making eyes" at Jack anytime soon.
. I don't like or dislike her, I'm in the probably relatively small group of Torchwood fans who feel neutrally about her. IMO, she has some good points and some flaws, what else is there to say :]? 
). The only thing that's keeping me sane is watching (FINALLY) season four of Doctor Who on BBC America, and working on my Torchwood season three "theoryfic" with that set of ideas I put in my original post 
. Thinking about Tosh & Owen, perhaps, or worrying about Gwen and Ianto?