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Well, I'm quite into reading hard, difficult books lately, that's cause I'm studying history and german, so I bet reading the Narnia books will be like a vacation for me! I can't wait on that
And LotR just was so addicting for me, I simply couldn't lay the books out of my hand! You could say I ate them, well, with my eyes!
lol Well, Susan fans like us quite surely hope for her to return and find her faith again, at least I have the hope and the impression that she would. She deserves to have a happy ending!

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I love your banner, Lady Erana. I love those few lines.
I have read all the books, though I'm not going to read the Last Battle for sometime, because it made me cry so hard.

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Oh, thank you very much! I took it from a movie clip I found on youtube, and found it quite funny actually, besides the upcoming sadness that somehow fills this scene as well.
Anyways... I found the books in the university library, yay! Well, so I will go and get them next term, so in October. Tho I will take my time to read them, hopefully I won't get too sad.

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They're all amazing, though I think Magician's Nephew wasn't as good as the rest. And The Last Battle's really sad or really happy, depending on the way you look at it.

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Well, I can't tell yet which I thought was the best, tho I wish I could.

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Ack, I sort of let this thread run away from me.

Welcome Lady Erana! Thanks muchly for joining.

To resurrect a discussion from a few pages past:



I like to think the official 'book ages' are two years younger than the 'movie ages':

LWW
Lucy: 8 (book); 10 (movie)
Edmund: 10 (book); 12 (movie)
Susan: 12 (book); 14 (movie)
Peter: 14 (book); 16 (movie)

And they each go up one year for PC, of course.

As for Caspian, though he was 13 in the books, he seems 16-ish in the movies.

I've read all of them except The Silver Chair (which I've attempted but never finished )
The Horse and His Boy is by far my favorite, and I rather liked the Magician's Nephew. And of course I love LWW.
And I know...the Last Battle is so sad, I'm not reading that one anytime soon.

As for LotR I've read them all around 3 times, give or take. I think I started trying to read the whole trilogy and only got through FotR once. Another time I read TTT by itself, I think...and I've read certain parts of RotK NUMEROUS times. (Farawyn fan here. )
But yeah. I've read the whole trilogy three times. It's quite a feat...usually can take me a few months.
I've also read the Silmarillion.

But definitely, Narnia is a piece of cake considered to getting through Tolkein. I must have read LWW the first time when I was, what, eight?

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I miss this thread. I really, really, really miss this thread.

On the CS Lewis front----and yet, the Narnia series seem to be dwarfed in comparison. Quite honestly. I respect CS Lewis but he's not my favorite writer.

Especially considering that he butchered my favorite character of the entire series, and quite possibly the only character I had an attachment to.

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Ugh. That's main main issue with C.S. Lewis. I really like his writing, not just Narnia stuff, but then it comes to Susan, and I don't know. When authors mess up stories--especially characters--and especially characters I'm attatched to in stories I like--then I get really upset.

Anyone who remembers the DMC fiasco knows this.

[warning: slightly weird dramatic rant ahead.]

I've always felt that an author does not always make up a story however they want it to be, or at least they shouldn't. An author's job is to listen to the story itself, to discover it, not create it, and then tell it truthfully to the rest of us. When something sounds dissonant or it seems like the author betrayed the true story in order to get their own personal message across then that's when I become angered.
It can be a seemingly small thing, but it's enough to do the damage.

After I finished reading TLB the first time I didn't read a Pevensie-related Narnia book again. It wasn't until the movie came out that I thought back to those pre-TLB days. In order to enjoy the movie I've simply tried to block out the future I know is coming.
And now that PC is behind us, I can't really do that anymore.

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^ i agree authors must discover it, i also think that writers imagine themselves in the story, what they would do if they were that charcter, how they would act and so on.

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Here's a question: Why Susan? Why did CS Lewis decide to make Susan the hopeless one? Why not Peter? Or Jill Pole? Or Eustace and such? Why specifically Susan?

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Well, here's how I figure it: he wanted it to be one of the Pevensies. But it couldn't be Peter or Lucy, because those two were obivously his favorites. ( Hate it when authors play favorites, too...) And he couldn't pick Edmund, because he had already been through this whole transformation or whatever.
So Susan was left.

That's NO reason at all, of course but it seems it was enough for Lewis.

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i think it was good that he made susan th hopeless one, cz she was older then lucy and therefore meant to be older and when she wasnt it was like hahaha

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I agree. You make good points. Lucy and Peter seemed to be the ones with all the complete faith in Narnia, therefore, the angel ones. The golden ones. CS Lewis can't possibly be rid of them.

Lucy was the one with complete and unwavering faith though so that's completely understandable. Edmund's already had his reformation, he can't go back on it. When Aslan sacrifices his life to save yours, there's no way you're gonna turn your back on Narnia.

But---I don't believe it had to be one of the Pevensies though! It just seems off to me. They've been in Narnia the longest out of all the Kings and Queens haven't they? Well, aside from the very first King and Queen which were placed there. Good ol' Frank & wife, I can't remember her name. Helena? Helen?

Granted. Susan's always been the logical one. So what's CS Lewis's message there? Buck logic, go with faith? If I have to jump a cavern and logic tells me that I cannot jump half a mile across to the far side, I'm not gonna go ahead and jump and have faith that I'll make it to the other side.

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Well, I certainly don't think it had to be one of the Pevensies. Frankly this whole idea of a character losing faith bugged me. What does that say about me? I always sympathized with Susan because she was the logical one. It's fun to talk about magical lands, but if Lucy came in telling me about the Wardrobe I probably would have had the same conversation with the professor.
Of course, upon discovering Narnia I would be insanely excited, but still.
Logic shouldn't be discarded when it comes to faith; they shoul work together. If the only way to be faithful is to rid yourself of logic then you don't have a very strong faith.
And yet...there Lewis goes, ridding the character representation of logic from Narnia.
What's that supposed to mean?

And lady_E, I'm not sure what you mean--are you saying that since Susan is the older sister it's logical for her to lose faith/become interested in makeup, etc.?

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It is horrible that CS Lewis wanted so badly to use an example of Susan. Really, was it really necessary?

The worst part, I think, is that the rest of the Pevensies including their parents died in the train incident. That leaves Susan completely alone at what ? 20? 21?
The idea of being so left alone makes me so incredibly sad for her. Can you imagine? If they were trying to make Susan see Narnia for its existence, killing off her entire family was not the best way to do it.

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^I know!

And it was never really clear if she was in the accident too--which would mean she had died and NOT gone to Narnia. Which is simply awful.

I really hope that isn't the case, but...ugh. The whole thing makes me so mad! To completely discard a character simply to make a point, with little more than a single sentence for explanation.

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