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Post subject:  Posted: July 27th, 2008, 10:58 pm |
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I do believe it's canon that she was not on the train with the rest of the Pevensies.
CS Lewis wrote in "Letters to Children" to Martin saying, quote:
<i>""The books don't tell us what happened to Susan. She is left alive in this world at the end, having by then turned into a rather silly, conceited young woman. But there's plenty of time for her to mend and perhaps she will get to Aslan's country in the end... in her own way."</i>
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Post subject: Posted: July 28th, 2008, 12:16 pm |
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Oh. Excellent. *phew*
Knwoing she's still alive for sure is at least some comfort.
The whole thing is a stupid mess though.
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Post subject: Posted: August 6th, 2008, 6:06 am |
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Believe it or not, here in Austria Prince Caspian just got into the cinemas a few days ago... finally! I thought I would never see this day!
And well... I believe that Susan being the only one of her family left alive will surely develop from this "rather silly, conceited young woman" and come to senses. I imagine that losing her family will have such an impact on her that she will find a way back to Narnia as well... I would love her having a happy ending as well.
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2009, 1:44 am |
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Gah. Bringing this thread back.
I certainly would hope so Lady Erana, but there's always the chance that Susan would recede so much into her mind that she denies Narnia's existence even further and there's great debate as to how deep Susan 'forgets'.
I can see a darker side to the story of... Susan being so angry with Aslan and with life because of what happened to her siblings (and to her).
I just really hate the idea of someone all alone and on her own at such a young age. And it's because of that isolated, abandoned feeling that I'm so sympathetic with that makes me begrudge CS Lewis. 
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Post subject: Posted: January 12th, 2009, 11:21 pm |
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Pffft, I agree with Kit. *nodnod*
I've always liked the fact that Susan was the mature, sensible female character, but do begrudge Lewis a bit for the way he portrays her. The lack of overall character development in the entire series already makes me grit my teeth, but I particularly dislike the fact that even though she was given a bow by Father Christmas, Susan never partakes in a battle on the counts of being "too frightened." Personal bias perhaps, but I think that Susan could still have been Susan the Gentle if she were to help her siblings out once in a while.
But anyway, onto The Last Battle. As an avid reader and writer, I personally can't think of a reason why Susan had to become the 'silly, conceited' girl in the first place. As one of the four Pevensie monarchs, it would make sense - in my mind - if she had returned with her family at the end of the saga. Now, why one of the oldest and most 'feminine,' for lack of a better word, female characters in the series had to suddenly go Elle Woods on us, I'll never know. But in my opinion, Aslan's words 'once a King or Queen of Narnia, always a King or Queen,' should have held true to the end.
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2009, 12:55 am |
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By her character traits, I can understand why CS Lewis was able to use her as an example. She is "sensible Susan." Narnia can't exist, it's not logical at all. I think Susan did get so deeply involved with Narnia and very much attached, that when Aslan told her that she and Peter won't be coming back anymore, it completely destroyed her. It's basically denying her the home she's known for 10+ years including the Golden Age.
And her method of dealing with it is to deny it all together. It's "sensible" to her. And she might've pushed it away so far back into her mind that she genuinely forgot what it felt like to be in Narnia and to believe.
It's what I love about the aspect of Susan/Caspian, simply because it's something that wouldn't go anywhere as we all know. And it could never be, but it leaves the question of "What might've been," good reason enough for Susan to deny Narnia and Aslan further. As portrayed in the movie, Susan was ready to accept that there won't be a Narnia for them at the beginning of Prince Caspian whereas Peter was fighting for it, wanting it more and more. And that was probably what had set them so far apart and why Peter was able to return in The Last Battle.
Many could argue that CS Lewis was sexist in the sense that he had given these weapons to Susan and Lucy but never allowed them to use them. I don't know if I liked that, and I think after watching the movies, I didn't like how he did that.
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2009, 1:35 am |
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Very very good points, Kit. And yes, I agree with the fact that her sensibility would cause her to deny the existence of Narnia. But the exclusion of Susan from the last book in general just kinda rubs me the wrong way.
And I agree...as I said before, I'd have liked to have seen Lucy and Susan handle their weapons more often.
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2009, 2:22 am |
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The Last Battle is definitely a tough book to read, but it just happens to be my favorite of ALL the books. It's a tragic portrayal of Narnia's end and although I hated that Susan was left out of Aslan's Country, I appreciated that it allowed for us to further analyze the "problem of Susan" and speculate on what happens to her, etc.
What I really disliked about that part in the book though was not because of that Peter says, "My sister, Susan, is no longer a friend of Narnia." And I always imagined him saying it in such a heartbroken fashion, that I never begrudged him for it.
However. I --hated-- how Jill Pole, Eustace, and Polly ratted on about her 'silliness'.
Last Battle wrote: "Yes," said Eustace, "and whenever you've tried to get her to come and talk about Narnia or do anything about Narnia, she says 'What wonderful memories you have! Fancy your still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children.' "
"Oh Susan!" said Jill. "She's interested in nothing nowadays except nylons and lipstick and invitations. She always was a jolly sight too keen on being grown-up."
"Grown-up, indeed," said the Lady Polly. "I wish she <i>would</i> grow up. She wasted all her school time wanting to be the age she is now, and she'll waste all the rest of her life trying to stay that age. Her whole idea is to race on to the silliest time of one's life as quick as she can and then stop there as long as she can."
"Well, don't let's talk about that now," said Peter. "Look! Here are lovely fruit-trees. Let us taste them."
I <i>hated</i> the fact that it was only those who knew her the very least to have described her in such a way. What would Lady Polly know of Susan? What would Jill Pole, or even Eustace? Could they have possibility spent so much time together to have known Susan's person and character? What right did they have in thinking they knew <i>anything</i> about Susan?
Why had it not been Lucy or Edmund or Peter who spoke of her 'silliness' and their disappointments? The three that grew up with her, experienced everything with her and <i>knew</i> her. It was because of this that I started to even have a dislike for Eustace and Jill Pole and Polly.
And I only loved Peter even further when he disrupted their talking about Susan's fall from grace, because it feels as though he regrets losing his sister and feels only sad about it because he knows her like no one else knows her. I just really would wish that they would've <i>defended</i> her though even if it was only a little. They were too <i>accepting</i> of it. Like there was nothing they could do, so oh well for Susan Pevensie.
[stops ranting before she depresses herself]
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Post subject: Posted: January 16th, 2009, 5:14 pm |
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^Perhaps all that was part of Lewis' plan... you know, having Peter (possibly) defend her and make them stop and having THEM be the ones who talked about her like that? There is, I'm sure, more to it then what's on the surface. Lewis could have been thinking those very things you listed while he was writing it.
anyway, I have, ever since reading TLB, envisioned Su's whole family dieing and her turning around. Realizing what she lost and that she was just pushing Narnia away for no reason (or maybe there was a reason... to block out the pain she felt when she thought of how she could never return possibly? Not having the faith that Peter, I'm sure, had that one day Aslan might let them back after all?) and coming back to it. That's how I've (almost) always seen her story as ending... second chances rock. Maybe that's why she didn't die then with the rest of them? 'Cause she still had a chance to turn around.
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Post subject: Posted: January 17th, 2009, 5:38 pm |
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Ooo!  So nice to see this club alive again. susan is so cool... 
Anywhoo...
Calloniel (PD) wrote:
anyway, I have, ever since reading TLB, envisioned Su's whole family dieing and her turning around. Realizing what she lost and that she was just pushing Narnia away for no reason (or maybe there was a reason... to block out the pain she felt when she thought of how she could never return possibly? Not having the faith that Peter, I'm sure, had that one day Aslan might let them back after all?) and coming back to it. That's how I've (almost) always seen her story as ending... second chances rock. Maybe that's why she didn't die then with the rest of them? 'Cause she still had a chance to turn around.
I completly agree... and couldn't have said it better myself.  I actually like the fact that Lewis had Susan not comming back to Narnia. I think it's a very cool element (and, uh, nevermind  ), and he doesn't eliminate the possiblity of her turning around... I like to think she would. 
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Post subject: Posted: January 17th, 2009, 6:34 pm |
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There are a lot of great post-Last Battle fics about Susan out there that I should collect and recommend to you guys. They're great, I always seem to cry when reading them.
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Post subject: Posted: January 18th, 2009, 2:59 pm |
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Aw, would you, Kit? That sounds really cool...
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Post subject: Posted: January 18th, 2009, 9:23 pm |
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Er, thanks, TT. Though I was basically leeching off of Kit’s thoughts there.  I am really happy that Lewis left Susan’s end open instead of having her just… I dunno, disappear or something. I think he left it up to us to decide her destiny. And I truly believe she would turn around. I mean, I know I would in that situation. 
Kit, that would be awesome if you could! (though sadly I don't read so many fanfics anymore...  I would try to though!! Especially Susan/Narnia ones)
Oh, but I’ve watched a Susan/Warren (the geeky boy at the beginning of PC) video on You Tube (recommended to me by the old Auer, Anie Surion. ) that was just lovely! Teared me up even.... It was a post-TLB video.
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Post subject: Posted: January 18th, 2009, 11:38 pm |
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... Geeky boy has a NAME? When was THIS confirmed?
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Post subject: Posted: January 20th, 2009, 1:56 am |
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Warren... it's too... not geekboyish. I prefer just calling him Geek Boy.
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