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Post subject:  Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 12:48 pm |
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So, what is this Middle-earth Black Plague anyway? And what is it that Aragorn's athelas won't cure?
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 12:55 pm |
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The 'Great Plague' swept over the land of Gondor near the end/middle of the days when Kings ruled. It killed off much of the population and most of Osgiliath's, which used to be capital. Soon after all of the forces of evil went on the offensive and slowly began hacking off territory and destroying armies.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:10 pm |
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oh. How do you know this?
Witch_King_of_Angmar wrote: I'm frankly astounded that you think someone who has a perfectly good life after being uprooted by war would return for solitude or beauty. And to address your point that depopulation was due to "two great battle", no, it has been going down as loss of territory and constant warfare, not to mention a few plagues, render colonisation of anything pointless. It's like getting medieval England after the black plague or something like that and expecting it to try to colonise some place in France that was lost in war. The Gondorians would eventually colonise, I'm sure, but by the time it was feasible Legolas would've already controlled it for a hundred or so years.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:16 pm |
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The people who have left Ithilien have been away for 67+ years, I think they would already be settled down, have families, and etc.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:21 pm |
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Yeah, but they could move to Ithilien anyway. Settling down and having families would mean a BIGGER POPULATION to move back! =D
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:25 pm |
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No, it wouldn't, considering how many got killed in Minas Tirith. Two entire levels were stormed out of seven in the largest city of Gondor, that itself was probably devastating. So, as stated, by the time population was sufficient, Legolas had already colonised Ithilien
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:29 pm |
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I know...=(
I just watched TRotK again, watching the battle sequences, and I was getting more and more depressed that there were less people to move back to Ithilien.
I forgot what I was arguing about...wait...it'll come back to me...
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:30 pm |
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Ok, I'll be waiting. 
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:38 pm |
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It's coming...wait for it...wait for it...
oh, right! Of course people will want to move back to Ithilien! Don't be silly. They just WILL. There has to be <i>some</i> reason why Faramir is in charge of Ithilien. I thought we established that more than just lumberjacks lived in Ithilien.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 1:45 pm |
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Maybe because he's still Captain of the Rangers techinically, which basically makes him Lord of Ithilien, which is depopulated completely, anyways.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:05 pm |
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^ lord of ithilien isn't just a title that comes as part of being captain of the rangers, faramir does actually move there - rotk says "aragorn bade him dwell in the hills of enym armen within sight of the city", emyn armen being the northernmost part of south ithilien.
if faramir moved to ithilien, it's fair to presume that others did - sending faramir to ithilien and then not repopulating it would be as good as exiling him, and aragorn would never do that. however, the fact that aragorn bids faramir live specifically in emyn armen implies that only a very small are of ithilien was repopulated.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:11 pm |
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Also, in the book, the only enemy to make it inside was the Witch_King, and this topic is in the book section. So two whole sections were not stormed. The only losses were those who died on the walls and in front of them, which was only a small portion of Gondor's Armies, if you think through how many troops arrived to bolster Minas Tirith, and then compare it to how many were expected.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:13 pm |
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Exile? He was the Steward of Gondor, a worthless title was hardly exile! It just makes sense that any settlement in Ithilien, assuming people even go at all, would be minimal and hence granting the land to Legolas. If they own a fief with virtually no revenue, granting it to someone who would serve as a vassal of Gondor and colonise it for you would be optimal.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:22 pm |
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i was editing my post as you posted, so it's all got a little confused now. i'll try and clear things up (although it might be helpful too if you scroll up and read my edited post)
my point is that rotk tells us that faramir lived in ithilien, and if no one else moved there it would be akin to exile as he would be living alone (apart form eowyn) and would therefore effectively be an outcast.
and like i said, i agree that settlement would be minimal - it seems that it was limited to emyn armen.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:41 pm |
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Oh, well, to respond to your statement, at least heavy civilian casualties must have happened. The bottom level was the biggest and mainly the aim of catapults and etc.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 2:41 pm |
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Oh, well, to respond to your statement, at least heavy civilian casualties must have happened. The bottom level was the biggest and mainly the aim of catapults and etc.
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