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The Case of Noah Percy is just.... any storyline with Noah from the moment he stabbed Lucius just went downhill.... oh poor Noah. It's just so very sad.

I was browsing through the net for general Village fanfics and there is actually a lot of Noah/Ivy---which to me, is very surprising--- because I've just never considered it, I just felt they were best friends due to the fact that they're so different from the rest of the village.

And I may sound bias, but I feel Lucius/Ivy is a more beautifully put together pairing.

Another topic----Walker Wildlife Preserve.... this may have went totally over my head... Edward Walker's father---did he buy create the Walker Wildlife preserve and after his death, Edward took it to use it for The Village's cover?

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I think it was worse because he died alone and frightened.

Now that is surprising. I never even considered it because I don't think there were any feelings between them. I think Noah was just jealous because maybe even he realised things were not going to be the same between him and Ivy once she was married.

Right, well the way I see it is that the land was owned by the Walker family. And I think Edward Walker, whilst making his plans for the Village turned it into a supposed Wildlife Reserve, and then took it from there. I could have happened either way I suppose, but I like to think of it being Edward, to show how much he had to work to get the Village set up so people could live there.

Obviously someone on the outside knows something is going on (M. Night's character) because Edward is not only paying people to stop others going into the "park" (Kevin who thinks it is a park) but also to stop planes flying overhead.

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Can you imagine how Mr. and Mrs. Percy felt when they found out what happened? The secrets that they've kept for so long as the ultimate cause of Noah's death?

So we'll say that the money that Edward inherited from the murder of his father, he used to make the Village. . .

Well that's depressing---the Village and the entire forest is a painstakingly hard reminder for Edward everyday of what he lost---no wonder he's so adamant on keeping the Villagers unaware.

Edward Walker's an amazing character. @_@

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Well we did see a bit of that when they realised what had happened, and I suppose it makes Edward's words to Ivy "we meant no harm" when talking about the stories they told to keep people in the village, all the more sad, as they did do harm by telling these stories.

Yes, definitely. He had the money and most probably the contacts to make sure that no-one, except those who needed to know, knew of the village and the people that lived there.

Edward Walker is an amazing character and a very strong character, although I think all those who were born in the outside world and moved to the Village, are stong, especially those who lost loved ones.

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I love Mrs. Clack especially, because it seems she is the only one without family in the village and she is alone and separated from the world but have adopted the Village has the only home she's ever known.

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Yes, I agree. I also like the fact we see her with Ivy. I wonder if her husband died in the Village or ? ... I mean she was obviously younger than 23 when she moved to the village, as her older sister was that age when she died... so would she have been married and lost a husband younger than that? Or is she like August, and has lost her family while living there?

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I imagine her husband died in the village. Though it's possible that they were married outside the village, but Mr. Clack would've been one of those close spouses that there was no way Mrs. Clack would go to the village without him. If they have in fact been there for 23 years, Mrs. Clack was probably not that much younger than her sister, just like how Ivy isn't that much younger than Kitty.

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Yes, you are probably right about their ages being similar to Ivy and Kitty.

Of course there is also the possiblity, she met her husband actually in the Village.

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I hate to just jump in in the midst of what looks like a great conversation, but I just had to say that

I LOVE THE VILLAGE.

I'm a bit obsessed really. M Knight Shyamalan is a mad genius. :yes: I love that he convinces you that something exists, convinces you that it doesn't exist, and then repeats the process in the course of the entire movie. It's cinematic brilliance.

Concerning Noah Percy [I gather that that's what some of the discussion has been about], I find it hard to feel sorry for him for a number of reasons. One being that Adrian Brody, who plays him, seriously creeps me out. *shudders* The other being that he had to hurt Lucius, who I really liked by that point in the movie, and definitely hurt Ivy whose my favorite character. I did feel a bit sorry for him because he was mentally handicapped, but overall I wasn't too sad when he died.

The romance between Ivy and Lucius is amazing. :happy: I love the scene where they're on the porch together, and where she's waiting for him and he runs and grabs her hand just in time.

Oh. I forgot to say what makes The Village [for me] so amazing. I knew the entire storyline before I sat down and watched it. I knew exactly what happened and that the creatures were really fake. And I still loved it.


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<b>JF</b>: That is possible! Or he was one of the other people who was at the counseling center. Either way, we love Mrs. Clack! (Who I keep typing 'Mrs. Black' and that's an entirely different connotation.) So many possibilities.

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I'm a bit obsessed really. M Knight Shyamalan is a mad genius. :Yes: I love that he convinces you that something exists, convinces you that it doesn't exist, and then repeats the process in the course of the entire movie. It's cinematic brilliance.


Hear, hear! Glad that other people think so!

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Concerning Noah Percy [I gather that that's what some of the discussion has been about], I find it hard to feel sorry for him for a number of reasons. One being that Adrian Brody, who plays him, seriously creeps me out. *shudders* The other being that he had to hurt Lucius, who I really liked by that point in the movie, and definitely hurt Ivy whose my favorite character. I did feel a bit sorry for him because he was mentally handicapped, but overall I wasn't too sad when he died.


You find it hard to pity him? Aww. :( I find it rather senseless that one should hate the character because of the actor---though JF's mother thinks the same way---still... (mind you I think I may be heading that way towards Orlando Bloom but that is not a matter in which we should be discussing here). I actually hail Adrien Brody for doing such a role as this.

Seriously, who imagined Adrien Brody as a crazy person? We absolutely LOVE Lucius Hunt, Starlight---oh my gosh, do not get me on that---but I still pity Noah, despite him stabbing Lucius. That scene killed me but oh poor Noah... not knowing what he was doing, not the full extent and the consequences of his actions, because it was merely his understanding of his emotions that drove him to do such and it left him feeling more of an outcast to the villagers and losing the only real friend he had.

When he died in that ditch all alone, confused, helpless---oh, Adrien Brody did such a wonderful job with that.... I think I'm gonna be depressed again.

You are entitled to your opinion, I won't force anyone to change their views, but I won't stop from preaching about open-mindedness. :angel:


I'm watching The Village right now (for the last time before I must depart with it!) I've just caught on to something---a bit of foreshadowing. When they find another skinned animal in the village, Alice Hunt, held an announcement--- she mentions that they suspect that because the wild animal skins the animal but not eats it that the animal must suffer from a form of 'madness' and my head just went straight to Noah Percy and what happens to him in the end, with him representing Those We Do Not Speak Of is just nerve-wracking.

Another thing I finally caught on is to why Ivy was so emotional when she went up to hug Kitty at her wedding---she was still contemplating what Mrs. Clack told her about her elder sister and Ivy feels that sadness in her own thoughts of losing Kitty in the same fashion. Which makes me LOVE Ivy even more because of her ability of sympathy. I <3 Ivy Walker.

Have we over discuss how much we love the porch scene? I love how Lucius gets angry when Ivy basically... asks him to marry her. Because it's usually the men who asks to court and to marry, isn't it? (With the exception of Kitty, who's... crazy.) He's already kind of annoyed with her because she's started the whole courting period and then all of a sudden BAM, she gets the glory of the whole 'Will you marry me' thing---though I also love how he gives in because he knows that's what he loves about her and says, "And yes, I will dance with you on our wedding night." [sighs dreamily]

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I don't mind at all about you preaching open-mindedness. :no: I like it, in fact.

When you think about it the way you've just described, it is easy to pity him. And Adrien Brody..... I'm not trying to say he's not a good actor because he definitely is. That was a hard role to play and he did a spectacular job with it, but Adrien Brody in general freaks me out, so I find it hard to like him or any of the characters that he plays.

I will give him credit for making the most exciting part in the whole movie though, and the most dramatic. I always scream really loudly when he runs at Ivy in the woods, before you know it's really him. And then you see that it is him and it's just like *gasp*. I suppose it could be a bit sad. And it's kind of ironic that Ivy "killed" him, though of course it wasn't her fault and she had no idea what she was doing, because as angry as she was at Noah, I don't think she ever would have wanted to kill him. He was her favorite once.

Oh, one more thing about the stabbing scene. It was bad enough when he stabbed him the first time, but then he had to go back and stab him repeatedly. It was very sad/scary for me.

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I'm watching The Village right now (for the last time before I must depart with it!) I've just caught on to something---a bit of foreshadowing. When they find another skinned animal in the village, Alice Hunt, held an announcement--- she mentions that they suspect that because the wild animal skins the animal but not eats it that the animal must suffer from a form of 'madness' and my head just went straight to Noah Percy and what happens to him in the end, with him representing Those We Do Not Speak Of is just nerve-wracking.


Aw, that sucks. I don't own it either. I really need to buy it.
My friends and I jumped to the same conclusion about the skinned animals. We thought that Noah probably knew about the suit under the floorboards for some time before he got put there to be punished, and he wass probably the one behind killing the animals. Plus, if you notice, he's really not present the scene right before they finid all of the skinned animals lying around.

I <3 Ivy Walker as well. :yes:

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Have we over discuss how much we love the porch scene? I love how Lucius gets angry when Ivy basically... asks him to marry her. Because it's usually the men who asks to court and to marry, isn't it? (With the exception of Kitty, who's... crazy.) He's already kind of annoyed with her because she's started the whole courting period and then all of a sudden BAM, she gets the glory of the whole 'Will you marry me' thing---though I also love how he gives in because he knows that's what he loves about her and says, "And yes, I will dance with you on our wedding night." [sighs dreamily]


I KNOW. I honestly think it might be my favorite scene in the whole movie. When my friendsand I watched it, after we were done we fastforwarded to the porch scene so we could watch it again. :) I love the part where he's saying, "Because the only time I feel fear as other people do is when I think of you in harm. That is why I am on this porch Ivy Walker." Tis so romantic. :swoon:

I do feel bad for Kitty after Lucius turns her down. The whole time she was making her big speech about how they should declare their love for one another, I feel so embarrassed for her that I can hardly watch. But at the same time, Ivy and Lucius are perfect for one another and she finds someone else very soon, so it's hard to feel too bad over it.


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@ Starlight - Well I get like that with actors sometimes, so I do know how you feel, but it can also ruin a film or a character if you think that way. I haven't seen Adrien Brody in anything other than this and King Kong, and he's not really my favourite but I think he did a really good job with Noah, as he's not just someone who has a handicap, he does have a character and it is nice to see the way he bonds with Ivy and things like that. He's not just someone who's like the village idiot and that's all there is to him.

When I went to see the Village, I had already seen Signs so I was a Joaquin Phoenix fan and that scene where Noah stabbed Lucius... it was like James Norrington being stabbed but three years earlier. I was really shocked and saddened, but I didn't feel angry at Noah or hatred. I just felt immense pity for him, pity because he felt like he needed to cause harm to Lucius, pity because Ivy meant that much to him, pity that he didn't really understand the consequences of his actions.

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@ Kit - I agree with you Kit about Noah. That scene where his parents find him with blood on his hands, I think it was only then that maybe he realised exactly what he had done. And when Ivy when to visit him, that was so sad. When he saw her, he was probably expecting some sort of comfort, or for her to him it was alright. I can't imagine what he felt like, when the person who had always understood him, slapped him around like that. That must have seriously have had an effect on him, mentally. And then when he died, alone and asking for his mother. I'm glad that Edward said they would find him, so he wouldn't be alone forever.

I loved that scene where Ivy hugs Kitty. Maybe Mrs. Clack told Ivy that story, so Ivy would never forget to appreciate and be thankful for having her sister and seeing her married and everything. It was funny when Christop wondered if Ivy was going to hug his shirt that hard. :lol:

It was usually the men who make the first move back then. Kitty was a bit different to Ivy though, because Kitty was just declaring her love, whereas Ivy was basically saying, "you are marrying me".

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@ Starlight - Ah, yes the multiple stabbing. I will admit I had forgotten about that, so when I saw it, and Noah looked upset and he seemed to be looking round as if to say "what do I do?" and he bent down to Lucius, I was quite shcoked to see him stab him again.

The porch scene is magical... and what he says is so well written...

Why must you lead, when I want to lead? If I want to dance I will ask you to dance. If I want to speak I will open my mouth and speak. Everyone is forever plaguing me to speak further. Why? What good is it to tell you you are in my every thought from the time I wake? What good can come from my saying that I sometimes cannot think clearly or do my work properly? What gain can rise of my telling you the only time I feel fear as others do is when I think of you in harm? That is why I am on this porch, Ivy Walker. I fear for your safety before all others. And yes, I will dance with you on our wedding night...

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That was a hard role to play and he did a spectacular job with it, but Adrien Brody in general freaks me out, so I find it hard to like him or any of the characters that he plays.


What exactly about him freaks out? o.O

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I suppose it could be a bit sad. And it's kind of ironic that Ivy "killed" him, though of course it wasn't her fault and she had no idea what she was doing, because as angry as she was at Noah, I don't think she ever would have wanted to kill him. He was her favorite once.


Agreed. There's no way Ivy could have killed Noah intentionally, she is too gentle-natured for that. Though I do want Ivy to find out in the future that it was in fact Noah that she so mistakenly killed in Covington Wood and I want most specifically Edward Walker to tell her, because what Edward says is true, "It is in them that our future lies. It is in lvy and Lucius that this... this way of life will continue." Lucius and Ivy will become the head Elders, but they cannot control the full extent of the Elders' lie if they do not answer the questions of what happened in Covington Wood.

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Oh, one more thing about the stabbing scene. It was bad enough when he stabbed him the first time, but then he had to go back and stab him repeatedly. It was very sad/scary for me.


That scene that absolutely did it for me was when Mr. and Mrs. Percy find Noah on their porch in the rocking chair with blood on his hands.... that entire sequence panned on Noah was just brilliantly done---oh how Brody did such a good job, I felt for Noah so much there. "Bad color... the bad color, bad color." [sobs and clings to the library's copy]

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Aw, that sucks. I don't own it either. I really need to buy it. My friends and I jumped to the same conclusion about the skinned animals. We thought that Noah probably knew about the suit under the floorboards for some time before he got put there to be punished, and he wass probably the one behind killing the animals. Plus, if you notice, he's really not present the scene right before they finid all of the skinned animals lying around.


I actually didn't think Noah skinned the animals, I want to believe that one of the Elders did in fact do it, because I don't think Noah doing that would've --- there's just way. I mean. We can't forget that Noah's kind of crazy here. Noah probably didn't know there was a suit under the floorboard until he was put in there for a long time, I imagine after his stunt with Lucius, he was in there for days on end until the Elders dealt with the Lucius's health. The scene with Alice Hunt telling the villagers this was a bit of foreshadowing but not a red herring---well, maybe a red herring, but it didn't pan out quite like that. I jump onto red herrings too but they never turn out as I would like it. Foreshadowing's more common anyhow. xD

I wouldn't think too much into Noah's absence when they find the skinned animals, because there was a lot of people we didn't see on screen, we didn't see all the Elders for one which are prime suspects after we find out what's really been going on. There's a deleted scene with Noah cutting down of the wedding decorations and if they had in fact kept it in, I don't think Noah would've had the time to go off randomly and skin half the livestock and leave around...

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I do feel bad for Kitty after Lucius turns her down. The whole time she was making her big speech about how they should declare their love for one another, I feel so embarrassed for her that I can hardly watch. But at the same time, Ivy and Lucius are perfect for one another and she finds someone else very soon, so it's hard to feel too bad over it.


The thought of Kitty/Lucius is very scary. I like Kitty, especially after she got over Lucius, but her personality with Lucius's.... it just doesn't work---not like the subtle opposites like Lucius and Ivy. I find Kitty a bit airheaded, she has a kind heart, but airheaded. Lucius has a deeper intellect --- less verbal --- but Ivy has the same intellect. I like the Christop/Kitty anyhow. Kitty's situation with Lucius and Ivy is a good example of the mindset of the entire village versus what Noah did. Kitty loved Lucius but he did not love her, and later after she's married she finds that Lucius and Ivy loves one another, but instead of being jealous of angry, she accepts it and she loves them both as her "cherished ones" and I find that a good quality in her. Kitty's not my most favorite character, but I can definitely appreciate her.

I think Kitty and Lucius are one of the elder ones of the village though, JF. If Lucius is 22-23, Kitty has to be 21-22 because in the photograph of all the counsel members, we see Alice holding Lucius of course as a baby and we also see that Tabitha Walker is pregnant, what looks to be around 5-6 months. Because Noah was not present in the picture, I think we can conclude that Noah's around Ivy's age.

Another thing I find interesting is that the two that travel with Ivy through the woods are Finton Coin and Christop (whatever his last name is) and I find it surprising that Christop is the one to go back first while Finton was the one to go on farther with Ivy. Because we'd always known Finton to be the most afraid isn't he? We always see him quite frightened when he has to go to the watchtower...fort...thing.

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I'm going to jump into the conversation! lol

I always feel sorry for Noah. Since he's mentally challenged, he doesn't really understand what he's doing, or the consequences of his actions. I'm not saying that excuses him for what he did, but it helps me feel more sympathetic towards him. Plus, I'm an Adrien Brody fan, and I think he's very cute. *cough* lol

Also, I kinda feel sorry for Kitty, when she's talking to Lucius, and after. I agree that the two of them wouldn't have made a good couple at all, but still. lol You know, she gets up the courage to talk to Lucius and tell him how she feels about him, and is rejected. I know it's a crush, and it doesn't last long, but that can still hurt a lot.

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Fwee! You've got a lovely sig set Kit that has one of my favourite lines from the movie! :P

I saw The Village about a year after it came out in cinemas and I completely fell in love with it. I swear, I can watch it over and over again without getting bored. The plot has loads of sneaky twists and turns that you would never expect, and the music *dies* is some of the best violin music I've ever heard. I even have a few of the songs on my iPod. Wow.

So many people say it was an awful movie and very confusing, but I disagree. It got bad advertising and the wrong crowd watched it. I thought it was one of Shymalan's best. :)


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Your birthday would be the BEST birthday. =D Adrien Brody is cute in a European kind of way---oh I love him. ^^ It's weird to love someone after you see him play a role like Noah but I just love him 10x more doing it.

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