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Well they actually could do the kid thing. I never meant making any kid Jack the main character, but just a small scene with him doing something Jack-ish, but 30 years before. Like in Hellboy II, and then shooting back into modern day-ness.

To me, the whole point of Pirates of the Caribbean has been about the pirate side of things. Will & Elizabeth were two people thrown into the mix who should never have been there in ordinary circumstances.

The only problem I can see with any new sequel is what possible threat could be bigger than having an entire navy headed by a ship that can blast you out of the water in a blink of an eye?

Personally, I would love the next film to be pirates battling pirates, but that wouldn't be exactly "ooooooh" after having Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett as villains. So it would have to be some sort of supernatural pirate or ghost ship or certainly something more of a problem.

I don't think I could ever get tired of Jack Sparrow. I'd watch him if he was in an empty room with the light turned off.

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You can't never get enough of Jack Sparrow. He's wonderful as he can be :lol:

However, this new film must have a new plot.With no ties to the previous films.
And keep historically accurate elements. I don't mind fantasy(in fact, it's one of my favourite genres), but don't go so far with the 'Atlantis-Jules Verne-Dinos' plot. Don't get me wrong I love Verne's books but in POTC universe would be weird. It'll be akin to a medieval knight in Ancient Greece :lol:

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The only problem I can see with any new sequel is what possible threat could be bigger than having an entire navy headed by a ship that can blast you out of the water in a blink of an eye?

Personally, I would love the next film to be pirates battling pirates, but that wouldn't be exactly "ooooooh" after having Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett as villains. So it would have to be some sort of supernatural pirate or ghost ship or certainly something more of a problem.

I don't think I could ever get tired of Jack Sparrow. I'd watch him if he was in an empty room with the light turned off.


^Exactly. And in a sense it was pirates vs. pirates if you look at the whole Sao Feng against Jack & Barbossa conflict. Sure, they had to come together in the end to defeat a common enemy (in this case, Beckett), but throughout the whole 3rd movie, everyone was pretty much against each other to obtain what they wanted. They've done some really huge things already, and I can't imagine what they can do in PotC 4. They've pretty much done everything one could think of doing when it comes to pirates movies. And once they find the Fountain of Youth, then what? I think it might end up being pretty cliche in the end, if they have to fight for the FoY, lose it, chase after some people and end up getting it back in the end...

Either way, I'll still go see it, but I just can't imagine what kind of plot it's going to have. The third one ended just fine; there was really no point in making another except for money.

I'd love if Beckett made another appearance... although that's highly unlikely. ;-)


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I'm assuming that it will be a sequel, and have something to do with the Fountain of Youth.

But maybe I'm reading into the "Jack has a magical map and he stares at the words 'Fountain of Youth' at the end of AWE" too much...

I could go on and on about what I would like to see in a fourth PotC movie, but I won't. I could also go on and on about what I don't want to see. But I won't do that either...


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^That's what I would have thought too. :yes: But... then again, I don't think about it all that much. ;)

PD, No... I really don't think so. :P (*cough* Might? I'll refrain from saying anything more ;)) Alluding to something? Course not! :P Just the over all amusedness of the PotC fans excitement...

haha, thanks. :eyeroll: ;) We shall see... we shall see... :P I'm going to HSM on opening day, right? Which shows that anything is possible. ;)



Quick question: is there any tentative timeline as to when this will be filmed or finally released? :erm:


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It's listed as coming out 2012 on IMDB.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1298650/

I don't think I'd like seeing Jack as a kid. I find when they do that in movies it rarely looks like it could be the same person. It would be a little weird to me and it would have to fit into the storyline somehow of course.

Pirates VS. Pirates I'm sure will come into play at least a little what with Barbossa and Jack against each other.

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1212? :swoon: lol, another 4 years of sepculation? I'll go mental. :teehee:


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Yeesh, I'll be almost 22 by the time it comes out. There's a freaky thought. :blink:

If they're giving themselves that much time to work on it, it had better be good. The standards just got higher. :P


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Same here. I wonder if it will really take that long. Sometimes things like that end up being sooner. On the other hand, sometimes they get pushed back quite a bit. I guess time will tell.

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Aramel Elyanwe wrote:
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The only problem I can see with any new sequel is what possible threat could be bigger than having an entire navy headed by a ship that can blast you out of the water in a blink of an eye?

Personally, I would love the next film to be pirates battling pirates, but that wouldn't be exactly "ooooooh" after having Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett as villains. So it would have to be some sort of supernatural pirate or ghost ship or certainly something more of a problem.

I don't think I could ever get tired of Jack Sparrow. I'd watch him if he was in an empty room with the light turned off.


^Exactly. And in a sense it was pirates vs. pirates if you look at the whole Sao Feng against Jack & Barbossa conflict. Sure, they had to come together in the end to defeat a common enemy (in this case, Beckett), but throughout the whole 3rd movie, everyone was pretty much against each other to obtain what they wanted. They've done some really huge things already, and I can't imagine what they can do in PotC 4. They've pretty much done everything one could think of doing when it comes to pirates movies. And once they find the Fountain of Youth, then what? I think it might end up being pretty cliche in the end, if they have to fight for the FoY, lose it, chase after some people and end up getting it back in the end...

Either way, I'll still go see it, but I just can't imagine what kind of plot it's going to have. The third one ended just fine; there was really no point in making another except for money.

I'd love if Beckett made another appearance... although that's highly unlikely. ;-)


^completey agree with ya, Ara. :yes: me no want Pirates to turn dull and cliche.

But I do still have a reasonable amount of faith in Ted and Terry... as I think someone pointed out they did continually find a way to shock us in AWE and DMC so... they might be able to pull this off just right. But honestly, coming up with an awesome story like the stories they did... gosh, that's gonna be some hard work. :blink: It looks like they'll have long enough to write it though...

If they did a prequel there should be absolutely NO young Jack Sparrow stuff... ick. that would just be way to weird and un-PotC-y in general.

And I dunno, I do sorta like AWE's ending... it was a good enough ending to let fans figure out what they wanted to have happen with the Fountain of Youth ect... :erm: So yeah...

WHOA! 2012 is when it's listed to be coming out? :swoon: that is a very long ways away. Although it seems I read awhile ago that their original problem with ahving a Pirates 4 was being able to fit it in JD's busy filming schedule right? So maybe that's the first time they could fit in within the next several years... :erm: I dunno if I can stand 4 more years of waiting. lol although PotR is right... if they have that long to plan than they should be able to think of something good. :yes: maybe something to do with the other things that are on Sao Feng's Charts too? Like, er, I don't remember but I've read about all the other mysterious places that can be found with the chart. That would be interesting too and it would add more to the story than just the Fountain of Youth plotline alone. :yes:

TT, lol, yeah, you better... ;) you have learned when to be silent over the year or so I've known you, haven't you? :P either that's a good thing or a bad thing... I dunno. :teehee: ;) suuurrrreeee you aren't. :eyeroll: hey, just think, it'll be like this for a long-o time it looks like. :P '

yup, that is exactly right! You just never know what'll happen.

BTW, I thought that PotC was set in the 18th century. :blink: I could've sworn that I read somewhere that it was, in fact, set in the 1730's or some such thing. :erm:

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I'll be ANCIENT if it comes out in 2012! Good grief... I'll be 20(19 if it comes out before September 1st)! OH MY GOSH. I'll look like such a tool walking into the theatre at age 20, with no little kids around... sheesh. Oh well, it'll be fun!


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Kinda off-topic, but does somebody know when will the Hobbit come out?

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Does it really matter how big it is if it's well done and true to our darling Jack? :-D Call me a screwball, but I would love it if they could have Jack finally get his wish of being immortal. Come on, all the guy wants is freedom from death! :confused: I'll watch it no matter how bad it is... unless they put Elizabeth in it. :annoyed: (Thank God that doesn't sound possible!)

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Calloniel (PD) wrote:
Aramel Elyanwe wrote:
Johnny's Fan wrote:
The only problem I can see with any new sequel is what possible threat could be bigger than having an entire navy headed by a ship that can blast you out of the water in a blink of an eye?

Personally, I would love the next film to be pirates battling pirates, but that wouldn't be exactly "ooooooh" after having Davy Jones and Cutler Beckett as villains. So it would have to be some sort of supernatural pirate or ghost ship or certainly something more of a problem.

I don't think I could ever get tired of Jack Sparrow. I'd watch him if he was in an empty room with the light turned off.


^Exactly. And in a sense it was pirates vs. pirates if you look at the whole Sao Feng against Jack & Barbossa conflict. Sure, they had to come together in the end to defeat a common enemy (in this case, Beckett), but throughout the whole 3rd movie, everyone was pretty much against each other to obtain what they wanted. They've done some really huge things already, and I can't imagine what they can do in PotC 4. They've pretty much done everything one could think of doing when it comes to pirates movies. And once they find the Fountain of Youth, then what? I think it might end up being pretty cliche in the end, if they have to fight for the FoY, lose it, chase after some people and end up getting it back in the end...

Either way, I'll still go see it, but I just can't imagine what kind of plot it's going to have. The third one ended just fine; there was really no point in making another except for money.

I'd love if Beckett made another appearance... although that's highly unlikely. ;-)


^completey agree with ya, Ara. :yes: me no want Pirates to turn dull and cliche.

But I do still have a reasonable amount of faith in Ted and Terry... as I think someone pointed out they did continually find a way to shock us in AWE and DMC so... they might be able to pull this off just right. But honestly, coming up with an awesome story like the stories they did... gosh, that's gonna be some hard work. :blink: It looks like they'll have long enough to write it though...

If they did a prequel there should be absolutely NO young Jack Sparrow stuff... ick. that would just be way to weird and un-PotC-y in general.

And I dunno, I do sorta like AWE's ending... it was a good enough ending to let fans figure out what they wanted to have happen with the Fountain of Youth ect... :erm: So yeah...

WHOA! 2012 is when it's listed to be coming out? :swoon: that is a very long ways away. Although it seems I read awhile ago that their original problem with ahving a Pirates 4 was being able to fit it in JD's busy filming schedule right? So maybe that's the first time they could fit in within the next several years... :erm: I dunno if I can stand 4 more years of waiting. lol although PotR is right... if they have that long to plan than they should be able to think of something good. :yes: maybe something to do with the other things that are on Sao Feng's Charts too? Like, er, I don't remember but I've read about all the other mysterious places that can be found with the chart. That would be interesting too and it would add more to the story than just the Fountain of Youth plotline alone. :yes:

TT, lol, yeah, you better... ;) you have learned when to be silent over the year or so I've known you, haven't you? :P either that's a good thing or a bad thing... I dunno. :teehee: ;) suuurrrreeee you aren't. :eyeroll: hey, just think, it'll be like this for a long-o time it looks like. :P '

yup, that is exactly right! You just never know what'll happen.

BTW, I thought that PotC was set in the 18th century. :blink: I could've sworn that I read somewhere that it was, in fact, set in the 1730's or some such thing. :erm:


Yeah, I really don't think T&T will let us down, but I suppose to the fans, it seems like there isn't anything that can top AWE. I mean, they went to World's End, saved Jack from death (like always), defeated Beckett [:'-( ] and Will and Elizabeth got married. That seems like enough to close off the story, although the ending of AWE honestly didn't satisfy me. CotBP would have been fine on it's own, but then again, we wouldn't have had teh Cutler [who, in my opinion, made DMC absolutely brilliant]. So I'm hoping we'll get a variety of new characters [and no more Mary-Sue Elizabeth women :yuck: ]. I really really hope they don't screw up what the movies are all about... I mean, the first movie, cursed skeletons... well, that was sorta believable, but when we came to Davy Jones and his crew - that was a bit unbelievable. And I'm still so ticked off that the Black Pearl somehow managed to defeat the Endeavour; the grand FLAGSHIP OF THE EAST INDIA TRADING COMPANY, with their tiny little cannons, when in one blast, both the BP and FD could have been sunk. Curse the so-called "heroes" prevailing in the end. :annoyed2:

My goodness, 2012 is such a long time to wait... I'll be 19 when we go to see it, and hopefully I won't have grown tired of waiting. Perhaps they'll bump down the premiere date... and I agree with the fact that Johnny is probably just immensely busy working on another TB film.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see, although I'm pretty excited and I'd love if there would be more news on it soon...


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In 1212 I'll be... 18. :blink: But, heck, compared to some of you I'll still be young. :teehee: That's around when The Hobbit or the bridge movie's comming out too, I think. Abotu JD's schedule, :lol: that might be the problem. He's signed onto two other movies just now too: Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland, and something else I can't remember. :erm: Which means, in all likelihood, there'll be no chance of him playing the villian in Batman, which makes this PotC 4 deal even worse for me. :teehee: But... anyway... Coming up with a good story probably takes a while too. And that does raise the expectations. :yes: Though, I mean... they spent 20 years on Indy 4... and looked what happened there. :eyeroll:

PD, :hide: Yes, yes I have. :P You're quite good at teaching people to watch what they say. :teehee: Well, it keeps me from getting in trouble, but it doesn't let me voice the opinions which would make me feel good to voice. ;) Double edged sword. But, not getting in trouble with you is certainly worse. :yes: Don't you trust me?!? *ish insulted* I know. :'( Why me? :'( It's like... I missed you before AWE came out, and was completly thankful for that... and now Disney has to go and ruin everything. :lol:


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You know, it's only a person here and there who actually agrees with you.

Most people would take a dozen more pirate films, so I can't see how it's "demolished."

It has to be for the fans in order to make the money. If the fans didn't like it, they wouldn't make any money!


demolished as in story. They've pulverized the story to bits, and the way they wrote Will and Elizabeth in AWE was despicable. I'm not saying the films are terrible; in fact, in terms of special effects and battle scenes, they're awesome, but the story itself; the true essence of Pirates was lost in DMC and AWE. Call me a purist, but Curse was the best. I own DMC and AWE. watched them enough to memorize the lines. But there HAS to be a point where the films stop. Otherwise, it's like the Star Trek films. *I'm looking forward to star Trek XI but I think 11 films is a bit excessive* I'm just saying that I think the writers and producers of Pirates need to understand that as in all film sagas, there is an ending. AWE should have been that. Besides, if will and Elizabeth aren't in the next one, there's no reason to see it. of course, I only liked them in DMC and Curse but they were still good characters...with the exception of AWE.

there, I've said my opinion. *and I can't believe that i actually said it with a cool temper!* :p anyways yeah, I won't support it.

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