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Post subject:  Posted: October 2nd, 2008, 12:13 am |
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Calloniel (PD) wrote: BTW, I thought that PotC was set in the 18th century.  I could've sworn that I read somewhere that it was, in fact, set in the 1730's or some such thing.  The 1700's is the 18th century.
Anywho, as to a fourth...I am the rare sort that thinks it should have stopped with the first one. It was good, it was fun, it didn't need more to it. That's not to say that the others were terrible, just that I feel they didn't need to be made. So I suppose it goes without saying.. _________________ going on a journey through my old claims
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Post subject: Posted: October 2nd, 2008, 11:24 pm |
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See, that's why I didn't like CotBP. It was too fakey for me, too much happy, and butterflies and sunshine. You knew that the people that needed to overcome things were going to vercome what needed to be overcome. In DMC and AWE, you were never quite sure. For those of unsure of Jack coming back, you weren't sure if he was actually going to be revived. Bad things happened to good people, and it made the second two movies more realistic. If I wanted a good romp, I'd go watch the Doodlebops(a kids show in Canada). If I wanted actual, semi-believable material, i'd watch DMC or AWE.
If the fourth follows in the same strain as DMC and AWE, I would be most happy, they would have to be careful not to go over the edge and make it masiochistic, sadistic or too evil... but they could carry on in the same way. And I wouldn't mind one bit.
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Post subject: Posted: October 4th, 2008, 4:38 pm |
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Nurrantiel Mashiara wrote: Calloniel (PD) wrote: BTW, I thought that PotC was set in the 18th century. I could've sworn that I read somewhere that it was, in fact, set in the 1730's or some such thing. The 1700's is the 18th century.  Poor PD...
*ahem*
Darky, first of all, comparing CotBP to the Doodlebops, well... *cough* No... Just no. 
But, I guess the thing is, NONE of the Pirates movies are realistic... I mean, come on. You've got undead skeleton people, freaky underwater thriving evils, lead by a guy with tentacles on his face, people who die, come back to life, get eaten by a sea monster, go to the World's End... yeah... I don't think that people who want to get a does of RL would watch that. But, of course you'd tell me that the themes or real enough...  My problem is that I can't see the themes in those movies... but...  That's irrelevant.
There's a place for everything... I'm not saying CotBP is deep... I'll happily say it's not. And, well, yes... they tried to make AWE/DMC deeper... tried to make it epic. Like, JF said, trying to prove it could be something besides "entertaining good fun". But, imho, it can't. The premise of the story just isn't made for that.  I liked CotBP because it was entertaining, acted will, original... and that's pretty much it. There's nothing wrong with simple fun. And there is a difference between CotBP and Doodlebops.
*cough* Okay... so there I've gone and broken my resolution not to debate on this thread. But... comparing CotBP to the doodlebops did it for me. Sorry... I just had to let that out. 
PD, your family and guessing. Really?  I seemed to remember you were... but, either way. Elizabeth does but Will doesn't? You're not making any sense at all. I mean, couldn't they do it AFTER the 10 years... Will's free then, right? What? I seem to recall that you thought she did on the WT. Wow...  I guess I forgot who I was talking it.  It's like we live in parallel universes sometimes. I don't check the box office, you don't care about the critics.  Well, either way... the critics like her.  Well, I think I know what you mean about the movie... but that fact doesn't affect her talent, OR the box office even. You're brother's a smart one. That's what I would think... then again, these people are rich beyond bleif, so it's not like whatever amount of millions more will make a world of a difference to them. 
Isn't it? Thank you. I'll take that as a victory for me. I would really like you to answer that, PD. Hmmm... who knows? They may redeem themselves.  And you may convert to a supporter. Sure it is.
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Grr! I'd wish I'd known about this sooner! This is great news!
I think a fourth opens up realms of possibilities! I used to be a bit iffy about it... I mean, how can you possibly continue after AWE? It did such a great job of wrapping up the story line and bringing it full circle that it would of been really difficult to say 'just kidding! it's not really over...' even though I would have loved to see the adventure continue.
The good thing is that I think enough time has gone by that a new Pirates can start somewhere besides the immediate end of AWE. It's almost like a blank slate! My favorite idea: the new adventures of Jack, Barbossa, and crew and our so-called William Norrington Turner III.  Especially with the convenient "Fountain of Youth" ending to AWE it's plausible that twenty years can go by and Barbossa, Jack, and the rest are as young as ever!
Also, on a side note: the other JD projects look interesting too. Particularly Tim Burton doing Alice in Wonderland. His creativity and imagination applied to a world made of creativity and imagination?! I think my head will explode will watching it! _________________ 
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Calloniel (PD) wrote: Aramel Elyanwe wrote: Yeah, I really don't think T&T will let us down, but I suppose to the fans, it seems like there isn't anything that can top AWE. I mean, they went to World's End, saved Jack from death (like always), defeated Beckett [:'-( ] and Will and Elizabeth got married. That seems like enough to close off the story, although the ending of AWE honestly didn't satisfy me. CotBP would have been fine on it's own, but then again, we wouldn't have had teh Cutler [who, in my opinion, made DMC absolutely brilliant]. So I'm hoping we'll get a variety of new characters [and no more Mary-Sue Elizabeth women  ]. I really really hope they don't screw up what the movies are all about... I mean, the first movie, cursed skeletons... well, that was sorta believable, but when we came to Davy Jones and his crew - that was a bit unbelievable. And I'm still so ticked off that the Black Pearl somehow managed to defeat the Endeavour; the grand FLAGSHIP OF THE EAST INDIA TRADING COMPANY, with their tiny little cannons, when in one blast, both the BP and FD could have been sunk. Curse the so-called "heroes" prevailing in the end. 
My goodness, 2012 is such a long time to wait... I'll be 19 when we go to see it, and hopefully I won't have grown tired of waiting. Perhaps they'll bump down the premiere date... and I agree with the fact that Johnny is probably just immensely busy working on another TB film.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, although I'm pretty excited and I'd love if there would be more news on it soon... No, not T&T, Jerry and Gore! They have done such a lovely job with the other movies. Yeah, I know, I mean, in a way I guess it wasn’t quite closed, but it was also… sorta… nice that way. Like I said before, it gave fans a chance to think out the rest of the story. It did pretty much satisfy me because I got to sorta end it how I wanted to. Nooosss! I couldn’t imagine CotBP on it’s own… that would be so sad! There would be so much of the story and character development left out. yeah, although I sorta don’t want new charries… *clings to the old ones* I dunno, I guess for me that’s what PotC is. It makes the unbelievable… believable. It lets your imagination run with the possibilities of a world you would like to believe exists. A world full of fantasty and whatnot. Lol, there’s that old complaint again. Although I have to agree… and that little bit you said at the end, the “Curse the so-called "heroes" prevailing in the end.” part made me laugh.
Yeah, I’ll be 20!  scary thought! But they very well could bump down the premeir date. Yeah, more PotC 4 news, please! And good news at that!  That is just too evil to think about for AU's resident Beckett/Beckara lovers... Well it's true. If they never put Elizabeth in the movies, I wouldn't have to complain now would I? Lol, glad you liked that.... poor Beckett... [That's why I'm so glad we've got BWE - so we can finish telling Becky's story, the proper way. ]
Yeah, they could bump it down, but at the slow rate they're going, I'm surprised if it will be released at all! I'm just too impatient, I suppose.. still, who isn't excited about the prospect of a fourth PotC? No one I know!
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2008, 12:09 pm |
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Oh my..
A fourth? They don't know when to stop I think..
Well I think then it's about time to watch At World's End then I at least can follow all the talks about the movbie _________________
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2008, 4:37 pm |
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No, no! More DMC and AWE hate? Never! 
The main thing is really, is that PotC isn’t mean to just be this fluffy comedy that you watch for the laughs… if it was it would be categorized as a comedy. As it is… it’s not. It is an action/adventure movie with some comedy in it to liven it up. It wasn’t only suppose to be something that you watched and let your brain die while watching it… it was meant to be something to sink your teeth into. That’s what I like so much about DMC and AWE… they give you food for your thought and they are actually deep. CotBP was a fine movie, but it didn’t really add that much to the characters. They were just… whatever. What's the word? Predictable. DMC and AWE gave you a deeper view of the struggles each character goes through… it helped you relate to them and to just… get a bigger picture of the thing we know and love, Pirates of the Caribbean. The characters literally grew right before your eyes as the movies went on. It accentuated what we had grown to like in CotBP and took us up a notch and made us think and wonder and not just sit back and laugh at the funny things Jack did. The sequels were very originally written… there was mystery and suspense behind them and they showed that Pirates wasn’t made only for a good laugh and a good feeling at the end, they were made to effect you on a deeper level. and the plot was intertwined with other plots. It wasn't just a boring old main plot where everything just followed along. It was more true to real life in the fact that each person had their own plot, their own story and struggle to tell. And Ted and Terry showed almost everyone's own stories along with the large one in which they were all involved. And in the end all the stories and destinies wrapped together in the great, overall story. Something, in my opinion, genious. Something sorta like LotR actually. Both are epic pieces and both have characters who are relatable and go deeper than just what’s on the surface. They both have characters who are real, in other words. And that was the element CotBP sorta left out which DMC and AWE added back in. They weren’t the horrible, cheesy sequels so many movies have… they actually had a purpose. They effected people… and they are very much epic pieces. The score, the characters, the storyline, everything about Dead Man's Chest and At World's End was amazing.
I agree, Darky, if they follow what AWE and DMC did I will be happy.
TT, what do you mean “Poor me”? I knew that the 18th century was the 1700’s. I guess maybe I should rephrase what I was trying to say “I thought Pirates took place in the 18th century like around the 1730’s or something”.
umm, I dunno. Will is gone. He’s in the Locker doing Jones’ job so he very well can’t come back. At least not for another 10 years. I mean, they could do it after the 10 years, but I doubt that will happen. Liz on the other hand is on that island… honestly, she couldn’t have stayed there. so… she had to get off and….??? Yeah, her story isn’t done at all. You must be forgetting. I don’t think I ever said that… sometimes? Well, we’ve had this nice talk about the critics before… they can like whoever they want to but yeah, it’s not like it really matters… they are people. It’s their opinions. I’m not saying she’s a bad actress… I’m saying what she does on screen and off screen isn’t the best sometimes. Yeah, but if things get hard or whatever she might find she wants the role. Who knows? She actually probably wouldn’t have to work on another movie again if she didn’t want to so I don’t’ know if money in that sense is gonna matter much. It almost seems like she just wants to forget what made her big in the first place…
Lol, alright whatever…. Hmmm, nah, I’ll pass. Nah, I will never be a supporter of Disney… atl east not in that sense. They’re way to weird in other ways than just their movies.
Taur!  it’s great to hear what you have to say here too! huzzah!
Ara, yes, I totally agree. Since they promised not to write something unless they had a very good story thought out they need to hve a good story. If it’s a bad movie and if it ruins the good spirit of Pirates… ugh, I will be mad! You do have a point, but I’m still iffy about new character because I know they’ll probably get a younger guy and girl like will and Elizabeth or else they’ll get some pirate gilr like Jack and that’s just… bleh. I mean, I guess for AWE and DMC I was more open to it because they were keeping the original characters so there wasn’t so much worry about them making up cheesy new characters which were basically like the old ones, you know? I’m nto against new characters as long as they are done right like Jones and Beckett were. But they will still find it hard to measure up to the original cast…. And I won’t like them at all if it is obvious that they are just “replacement characters”. I’d much rather have good ol’ Liz back than some pirate girl who loves Jack or something… bleh, that is just all wrong to me. I know! Poor Becky! And Norrie!
Oh, Disney is behind it… it’ll be released.
Will, yes! You NEED to watch AWE! *tapes in chair and forces to watch*
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Post subject: Posted: October 6th, 2008, 5:05 pm |
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*broad grin* PD, darling, you know very well that I would not dare contest you on that. So I won't. I will comment briefly on your first point, however. I don't think I ever said Pirates was a comedy, persay. I agree that it's an action/adventure with a huge comic element though. However, look at a lot of the action movies todsy. Just because they're action/adventure movies doesn't make then deep - or deeper then comedys.
And, oh, we are never going to agree on the epic thing, are we? Still... I'm just going to throw this out at you, as food for thought. Some do happen in Pirates, others... And I didn't include some.
Literary epic conventions (yeah, okay... so it's for literature... some basic principals can be used for movies too, right?)
1. Begins in medias res. (in the middle of things )
2. Ongoing Themes
3. Uses elevated diciot/contains long speeches
4. Vast settings
5 Gods interfer
6. Contains epic hero
I think that the writters were definately trying to make DMC/AWE epic. Maybe they did... but, imho, they lost the essance of the original. (No hard feelings, right, PD? )
TT, did you? I guess I miss read.
Why do you doubt that, PD? They ended AWE with 10 years later scene. Why ever not? I don't think so. But I don't feel like going through months of posts, so I'll trust you on this. I know, I know... we've had a lot of "nice talks". I know. Right. I understand what you're talking about there, unfortunatly. Yeah... but money does have some impact one way or anything. lol, I guess. (I might want to too, if I was her...  )
Whatever nothing. You're evil. It's like you're hiding something from me. Okay... gosh, you're sounding like people from my church now.
EDIT: AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
"Johnny Depp is to earn $61 million for the fourth 'Pirates of the Caribbean' film. "
Come on, people! It's not worth THAT much!!!!
The full quote:
Quote: Johnny Depp's Pirate bounty
Johnny Depp is to earn $61 million to appear in the fourth 'Pirates of the Caribbean' film, the highest upfront payment in film history.
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Johnny Depp is to earn $61 million for the fourth 'Pirates of the Caribbean' film.
The staggering sum is the largest upfront payment in film history and will see Johnny, 45, move to the top of Hollywood's rich list - overtaking Will Smith - when he reprises his role as Captain Jack Sparrow.
A source said: "It's a hell of a lot of money for one movie but there's only one man who can play Captain Jack Sparrow - and that's Johnny Depp.
"Pirates just wouldn't be the same without him, so they were more than willing to smash the record books to land Depp again. He's been the star of the show every time."
Earlier this year, Will was named the highest earning actor in Hollywood by Forbes magazine after he grossed $76 million in one year.
However, Johnny's new deal will see his earnings soar to $137 million.
The source added: "He's laughing all the way to the bank. Not only is he probably the biggest heartthrob in Hollywood, he's now going to be the richest."
Johnny's co-stars in the first three films in the franchise, Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley, are unlikely to appear in the latest installment.
 Okay... I'm done. These kind of things just annoy me.
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2008, 6:41 pm |
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Haha, The Thain, just logged on to post this: http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/ar ... 04_1082963
I think it's pretty cool actually, but I'm envious. To be able to get paid that much for doing something wickedly fun? Why can't I get a job that great?
I really love Vanessa's dress in the picture too by the way. I love the bustle-ish skirt. _________________ $%=#?&
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2008, 9:26 pm |
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TT, thank you.  yes, I do know what you mean there… Pirates does have a fair amount of comedy (although I prefer it when there’s not so much or when it’s subtle ) and there are quite a few action/adventure movies that are not deep. And being in that genre doesn’t necessarily make them deep, BUT what does help make Pirates deep is that it can have all these elements like action, drama, comedy, ect and it can still flow… it can still tie together and defy the normal mode of thought. The thought that summer movies were made to be… summer movies and that oh so dreaded title Popcorn Flicks. It adds depth to the genre. And sometimes it just makes me mad when I think people are calling Pirates a comedy… which it is not. so don't worry too much, I waas just trying to defend teh Pirates. no, we aren’t. Yes, that is a very good point…and I think all of those that you did put down do happen in Pirates if I’m not mistaken. Well, I guess to me, they did achieve that goal of “epicness”. they met all the criteria to me… and then some. And I’m sorta happy they branched out from what CotBP was. It gives you a whole new (better) view of the Pirates world. It goes deeper. there's just more food for thought in DMC and AWE mixed in with the other elements, of course.
Yeah, I guess so
I dunno. Maybe because the whole Fountain of Youth thing is so engrained in my mind that I don’t think they can do any other plot if the story takes place after AWE. I mean, it’s such a good ready-made plot for them. *shrugs* and they have to fill in what happens during the 10 years anyway. Lol, thank you. just trust me. Lol haven’t we though? yeah, you are right there… who really knows, I guess. Oh be quiet, you! *bonks*
Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound like that!
anyway,
What the heck!?!!? that is ridiculous! I mean, absolutely ridiculous! He only made 40 million on DMC… and that was more than enough, I think… and now this? Are they even gonna have any money left to hire anyone else? Seriously! (this is one time where TT and I agree on something PotC ) and it’s starting to look moreso like there will be no Will or Liz… and who knows if they will have enough to pay Geoffrey Rush to come back!
Sheesh…. Honestly… JD is a GREAT actor… but that is just stupid.
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2008, 10:24 pm |
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Well, they're only paying him millions whereas the films grossed billions, so I think they'll be able to handle Geoffery for us. _________________ $%=#?&
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2008, 11:32 pm |
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When I think about the drips that kick an inflated piece of material around a bit of grass, and the amount of money they earn for endorsing bad language, bad sportsmanship and various other bad things, I am more than happy that someone like Johnny Depp who has been my cheerer-upper on many ocassions, is earning money that is stupid.... but the difference is a) I believe he does useful things with it and b) no harm will ever come to anyone using the Johnny we know today as a role model. I question other "role models" who earn as much money if not more.
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2008, 11:44 pm |
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Very well said!
I know he donated a very nice sum to the hospital that cared for his daughter when she was ill. He even went there dressed as Jack one day to cheer up the kids. _________________ $%=#?&
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Post subject: Posted: October 9th, 2008, 9:58 pm |
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Personally, I have to admit that I am not to excited about this. The first movie was amazing, the second was ok, the third was iffy.... I see a patern that doesn't look good for a fourth movie.
The way I see it is... the first movie had a good plot, a wonderfully told story, and a verry satisfying ending. THEN.... they took all that and tried to add onto what was already whole... just didn't seem to work for me
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Post subject: Posted: October 11th, 2008, 12:21 am |
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Oh God, not another Pirates of the Caribbean, I was barely able to sit through the last one...
It seems like every sequel they make is an attempt to top the last one, how the hell are they gonna top this last movie? With the frickin... ships shooting eachother while circling a whirlpool or whatever.. Oh boy.  _________________ 
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