There has been a lot of flaming going on in this thread and it is completly unacceptable and against the rules of this forum.

Saying that you do not like something and why you don't like it is fine. Saying why someone else's argument is wrong/ illogical is fine.

However, insulting the other person because of what they're saying is flaming, saying that all the people who do not like a certain type of music are stupid is flaming and just calling someone's argument stupid is flaming.

As we've said in the forum rules we will enforce penalties for people who are flaming

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Obviously you don't know your music history. Metal is and has always been a sub-genre of rock music. Just like punk, prog, alternative etc came from rock so did Metal. Just so you know, I am a Metalhead and I know my Metal sub-genres. Heavy Metal isn't a 'classification' of Metal, Heavy Metal is Metal, all other sub-genres within Metal came from Heavy Metal.

Please do your research and have your facts ready before stating that I am all wrong. The encyclopedia doesn't lie.

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I actually like rap. And the music I normally like is punk/hardcore/screamo.
I hate how people assume kids who listen to rap can't listen to forms of rock or vice versa.
There are lots of talented rappers, such as Dr.Dre and Eminem.

To everyone who says it has no beat, Rap actually has some absolutely amazing beats. Then again that is a matter of opinion.
I relate a lot to rap music, especially about the raps about having a hard time growing up.

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Haha well just because you think you are a child of Odin doesn't mean that you know everything there is to do about metal
Metal maybe is considered to be a sub-genre of rock, but you can't say that it is, because it has its OWN sub-genres...if you listen to metal and rock consequently, you can clearly tell that there are a lot of differences between them.
Perhaps heavy metal and metal equate and I simply got that one genre mistaken. However, metal is the name of the general type of music...and therefore NOT rock.
You're not even paying attention to my point which is metal isn't rock. You just argue with me on metal classifications.
You have to look up on encyclopedias to be able to debate with me? Could you please cite me the encyclopedia of metal that you checked in?

So basically you started an argument on metal because Haldir mentioned that she likes metal and not rock? If she likes metal and hates rock, then how are you going to stop her anyhow?
I don't get why you are trying to argue about the genre of peoples' preferences.




Now about rap...I just don't find most of the modern day stuff appealing to myself. A lot of the content in rap such as Sean Paul, 50 Cent, Pitbull, Lil Jon and others, they all have excessive profanity and TALK...about subjects that really have no substance on a larger scale, they are just there to make money and be easy-to-get entertainment for the masses. Eminem was mentioned; I like his songs because he has skill and can really rap, and his songs have to do with the more real things in life, not some trivial stuff that people just get turned on by.

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People with no mental capacity listen to music which requires none.

I disagree with the first part. Rock, like Metal and Rap and other styles of music cannot be generalised. There are too many sub-genres and variations within each seperate genre.

Or maybe I'm just old and set in my ways. But I would not class U2 under the same umbrella as say..Nirvana. Both mainstream yes, but both very different styles of rock music.

Second part of it sounds very much like me. I don't concern myself with what other people like or dislike. All I care about is what I like, because at the end of the day the music only has to please the individual listening to it.



Well, thank you. After being a Metal fan for 19 years, thank you so much for clarifying what I should know by now. I've obviously been so misinformed for all these years. I had no idea there was so many different styles. I thought they all sounded the same.
I'm so ignorant *sniff*

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Haha, thank you for proving my point.

And for all of you hardcore headbanger metal people...the number of years that you have listened to metal doesn't make you any more knowledgeable.

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People with no mental capacity listen to music which requires none.

I never said I knew everything there is to know about Metal and it has absolutely nothing to do with my username

Just because a genre of music has sub-genres doesn't mean it can't be a sub-genre itself. There are always sub-genres within sub-genres. Of course Metal is different from the original form of rock, that is why Metal is a sub-genre of rock and not rock itself as it first started out as. Metal is its own genre, punk is its own genre, pop is its own genre but they are all sub-genres of rock music nonetheless. There is nothing you can do about that I'm afraid. Choose to ignore it if you will but music history tells a different story.

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No but actually looking up our information does

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Oh enlighten me oh knowledgable one.
Bestow your wisdom upon me so that I shall not be so ignorant about something I've lived for so long.
Teach me how to be tr00 and kvlt just like you oh Goddess of all things Metal.

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I'd be more than happy to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal

We also studied rock music and its various sub-genres back in school. Like I said, I know my music history.

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^Wikipedia... internet *snort* so reliable. Everyone knows that Wikipedia isn't reliable. My school doesn't even let the students use it for projects or essays.

And I agree.. please stop trying to act like you know the entire history of metal

Anywho. Err, wow::

My oh my, my words seem to have a huge impact on everyone nowadays. Even if they are in brackets. It just shows how much you guys all love me.

Anywho, what Helimoth said.

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I'm just saying what I know, your sister is the one trying to act like she knows everything and we're all wrong when the facts out there clearly states otherwise.

For your information, I didn't learn this through Wikipedia. She needed a source so I gave her one.

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^ lol yeah, I agree about Wikepedia.

Cool, the ENTIRE history of metal on one webpage I wonder who wrote it also.

Hmm, well see the thing about rock/metal is:
You could call the Misfits, which are punk, rock
You could call Nirvana, which is grunge, rock
You could call My Chemical Romance, which is emo, rock

But you can't call Burzum, which is black metal, rock

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Yeah but you are also trying to act like you know everything, which clearly you don't. I also am merely contradicting you not acting like I know everything.

Also, if I asked for a source that means I am asking you for where you got your information that you based your statements upon...not just a random source that could have stuff about your topic.

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People with no mental capacity listen to music which requires none.

She knows alot more than you anyway. At least she's not trying to be some kind of bigshot headbanger with Wikipedia as a sidekick.

Err... about rap then? Or am I the only one who realises that this thread ain't about metal or rock?



PSssssss - I wuv you Helimoth my precioussssssssssssss

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Nirvana wasn't a rock band?
Well knock me down with a feather.
You learn something new everyday.

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