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Post subject: A Man of Quality  Posted: October 7th, 2007, 3:31 am |
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A Man of Quality
Re-reading the books I realized how different Faramir in the movie is from book Faramir. I think David Wenham did a wonderful job playing Faramir, but as many places say, I “just can’t get over the way Faramir acted in TTT.”
Reading through it all again, I remembered how my friend will sometimes talk about “my Faramir,” who someday I will meet, and I thought about how so many character qualities that Faramir has are ones I want for my husband someday:
Most of my favorite quotes from LotR are all from Faramir, and they show his character, his quality, as Sam would say.
Quote: Patience!” Said Faramir, but without anger. “Do not speak before your master, whose wit is greater than yours. And I do not need any to teach me of our peril. Even so, I spare a brief time, in order to judge justly in a hard matter. Were I as hasty as you, I might have slain you long ago. For I am commanded to slay all whom I find in this land without the leave of the Lord of Gondor. But I do not slay man or beast needlessly, and not gladly even when it is needed. ” When Faramir is telling Frodo of Boromir’s death, Frodo asks Quote: “Do you mean that he is dead and that you knew it? You have been trying to trap me in words, playing with me? Or are you now trying to snare me with a falsehood?”
“I would not snare even an orc with a falsehood,” said Faramir. Quote: “But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.”
“Neither did the council,” said Frodo, “Nor do I. I would have nothing to do with such matters.”
“For myself, said Faramir, “I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Númenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom. Not feared, save as men may fear the dignity of a man, old and wise.” “Now’s a chance to show your quality,” says Sam… Quote: “So it seems,” said Faramir, slowly and very softly, with a strange smile. “So that is the answer to all the riddles! The One Ring that was thought to have perished by the world. And Boromir tried to take it by force? And you escaped? And ran all the way – to me! And here in the wild I have you: two Halflings, and a host of men at my call, and the Ring of Rings. A pretty stroke of fortune! A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality! Ha!” He stood up, very tall and stern, his grey eyes glinting….
…But Faramir sat down again in his chair and began to laugh quietly, and then suddenly became grave again. “Alas for Boromir! It was too sore a trial!” He said. “How you have increased my sorrow, you two strange wanderers from a far country, bearing the peril of men! But you are less judges of Men than I am of Halflings. We are truth-speakers, we men of Gondor. We boast seldom, and then perform, or die in the attempt. ‘Not if I found it on the highway would I take it,’ I said. Even if I were such a man as to desire this thing, and even though I knew not clearly what this thing was when I spoke, still I should take these words as a vow, and be held by them. But I am not such a man. Or I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee .” Quote: “… and you are a lady beautiful, I deem, beyond even the words of the Elven-tongue to tell. And I love you. Once I pitied your sorrow, but now, were your sorrowless, without fear or any lack, were you the blissful Queen of Gondor, still would I love you.”
A man who will hold what he believes over what he is commanded to do – listening to the higher power rather than men.
A man who values truth to the point he would not lie even to the foulest of enemies.
A man who knows he must protect those he holds dear, and will do it to death.
A man who can withstand temptation. No one is perfect, but we all have the ability to ward off temptation when it comes.
A man who is humble.
A man who keeps his word even when it may go against what he desires.
A man who does not desire power.
A man who knows when to flee temptations in life.
A man who loves that which is beautiful.
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 12:10 pm |
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I also applaud David's movie performance, but you're right, book-Faramir is amazing and movie-Faramir can't compare. One of my favorite quotes EVER is the one about Minas Tirith.  _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2007, 2:29 am |
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Faramir does sound like a more sensitive sort of guy in the books.no offence to the character or David Wenham but i didnt much like him in TT cos he tricked Frodo and had Smeagol captured and bashed up.but then he did let them go eventually.and by the end of RotK i did like him cos,well, ya gotta feel sorry for the poor bloke when he gets dumped on by his father and sent out to die.
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Post subject: Re: A Man of Quality Posted: October 8th, 2007, 4:46 am |
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The Nightingale wrote: A man who will hold what he believes over what he is commanded to do – listening to the higher power rather than men.
A man who values truth to the point he would not lie even to the foulest of enemies.
A man who knows he must protect those he holds dear, and will do it to death.
A man who can withstand temptation. No one is perfect, but we all have the ability to ward off temptation when it comes.
A man who is humble.
A man who keeps his word even when it may go against what he desires.
A man who does not desire power.
A man who knows when to flee temptations in life.
A man who loves that which is beautiful.
A man of quality.
see, this is why i'm so in love with the guy. he's as perfect as a guy is going to get, and i really hope i find "my faramir" one day.
here are some more observations about what makes faramir so wonderful:
* he's a brave and worthy soldier, but he takes no pleasure in war and death - he shows none of the bloodlust of other characters, but fights only because he knows evil must be overcome
* he is wise, and it is said the the blood of numenor flows in his veins, yet he does not try to act superior to those around him because of it
*he understands eowyn better than she does herself, but he does not force her into a revelation - he gently nudges her in the right direction, then allows her to come to realise her true feelings in her own time
* he was treated apallingly by his father, but he never seems to show any bitterness, which suggests that he is understanding and forgiving
the way the film portrayed faramir made my blood boil, but i blame that entirely on the writers, not david wenham. i though wenham did a really good job with the script that he was given, and i think he could have played book faramir perfectly. _________________ <center> 
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Post subject: Posted: October 8th, 2007, 4:51 am |
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goldelf wrote: Faramir does sound like a more sensitive sort of guy in the books.no offence to the character or David Wenham but i didnt much like him in TT cos he tricked Frodo and had Smeagol captured and bashed up.but then he did let them go eventually.and by the end of RotK i did like him cos,well, ya gotta feel sorry for the poor bloke when he gets dumped on by his father and sent out to die. In the book he had Smegol captured... though they made it more clear why, and at least Frodo understood better. Faramir had a sense of duty, and although often he let his personal beliefs overrun that, there were times his duty exceeded what he believed. ethelfleda wrote: here are some more observations about what makes faramir so wonderful:
* he's a brave and worthy soldier, but he takes no pleasure in war and death - he shows none of the bloodlust of other characters, but fights only because he knows evil must be overcome
* he is wise, and it is said the the blood of numenor flows in his veins, yet he does not try to act superior to those around him because of it
*he understands eowyn better than she does herself, but he does not force her into a revelation - he gently nudges her in the right direction, then allows her to come to realise her true feelings in her own time
* he was treated apallingly by his father, but he never seems to show any bitterness, which suggests that he is understanding and forgiving
the way the film portrayed faramir made my blood boil, but i blame that entirely on the writers, not david wenham. i though wenham did a really good job with the script that he was given, and i think he could have played book faramir perfectly.
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Faramir is just so... well, not perfect, I mean, nobody's perfect, but because of the life he had I think that he understands a lot of what other people go through from time to time, and also wants to make life better for others, one step at a time. _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: October 10th, 2007, 11:50 pm |
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The Nightingale wrote: Faramir is just so... well, not perfect, I mean, nobody's perfect, but because of the life he had I think that he understands a lot of what other people go through from time to time, and also wants to make life better for others, one step at a time.
That's one reason he'd make a good counselor if he lived in modern times.  _________________
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Post subject: Posted: October 11th, 2007, 1:30 am |
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I'd say that between Faramir and Sam, all selflessness is covered in LotR. Both seem to hold very little regard for themselves and their safety in comparison to the regard that they have for others.
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Post subject: Posted: November 11th, 2007, 5:24 am |
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hmm.. I can only agree.
And to what the others said: I also don't like the movie Faramir as much as the book Faramir. They just changed his character so much in the movie, it isn't truly Faramir anymore. I really like Faramir in the books, he's got such a wonderful personality
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Post subject: Posted: January 1st, 2008, 10:49 am |
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You are so very right. I loved the book Faramir much better than the movie one. But I remember watching an interview with PJ in which he explained the reasons for the changes he made. He said it just seemed unlogical that we are told in the beginning that nobody could be strong enough to withstand the temptation of the Ring, and then there comes Faramir who isn't tempted at all! I understand his point, but I think that Tolkien meant to show with Faramir the "perfect" kind of man you mentioned -- to show that you can be brave and honourable and selfless and wise -- so it's sad they changed him so much for the movies.
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Post subject: Posted: April 26th, 2008, 2:10 pm |
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You guys are so right!!!! I loved Faramir in the book. He was so quietly stong and gentle and wonderful!!!! I wish that they hadn't changed him in the movie, because he was so wonderful in the book. I was so glad that Eowyn got to marry him. They were perfect together. I also wish that they had had a little more screen time together in the film.
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