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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2005, 2:36 pm |
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vikingmaiden wrote: What about Frodo? He definately shows heroism many times in the book. He stands up to the Nazgul (even though it's partially out of his control), and I think somewhat in his dealing with Gollum. He first believes Gollum should be slain (in his discussion with Gandalf), but shows the discernment to not kill him. Frodo sees how Gollum can help without rashly killing him. There were many times that Frodo could have turned back--and just not care about the doom of Middle-earth, but he had strength and help from Sam to get through it.
yay for Frodo!
But at the end he failed..... and then Gollum 'accidently' knocked him and the ring into the molten lava of Mount Doom 
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2005, 5:58 pm |
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Galasriniel wrote: But at the end he failed..... and then Gollum 'accidently' knocked him and the ring into the molten lava of Mount Doom 
Well, you still have to admit that Frodo is quite brave. How well would you stand up to the Ring of Power? Hobbits are amazing little creatures. And so cute!
I also vote Merry and Pippin. They stuck with Frodo, even though they could have turned back. They also kept a good atitude. They were out of thier element, but they still stuck with it. That's bravery.
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Post subject: Posted: December 29th, 2005, 4:01 pm |
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Joined: 03 December 2005 Posts: 5082 Location: UK
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*imagines hugging Merry and Frodo*
My wittle heros
*imagines patting Sam and Pippin on the head*
Aw..... they were brave as well
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Post subject: Posted: December 29th, 2005, 7:04 pm |
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You got to admire the hobbits.
Tough little *beep*! 
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Post subject: Posted: December 30th, 2005, 12:48 am |
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Joined: 23 December 2005 Posts: 36 Location: Mirkwood
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I can't say anything that hasn't already been said, and yet I'm going to shove my two cents in here.
Frodo is my hero. How many people just say 'Oh! Hey! I'll go to my impending doom!' ? Frodo did. Because he kicks face.
And then Sam. I love Sam. He is the absolute, the real deal, bonafide hero. Everything about him just screams "I'm the everyman!" And yet he sticks with Frodo through thick and thin, and shows his loyalty several times.
Arwen, too. On a completely different level, but still. Giving up immortality for some dude? That's bravery.
Ooh! And Eowyn. Lack of accent there because I'm lazy  Anyway, the way she still wanted to fight rather than taking a back seat and letting everything happen without her input. I love that.
Almost all of the characters show awesome audacity, and I <3 'em for it, haha.
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Post subject: Posted: January 1st, 2006, 10:55 am |
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Dimenel wrote: And then Sam. I love Sam. He is the absolute, the real deal, bonafide hero. Everything about him just screams "I'm the everyman!" And yet he sticks with Frodo through thick and thin, and shows his loyalty several times.
Aye, and Tolkien believed that Sam was the true hero of the entire story. He was no one particularly famous or great, and yet he was most influential in Frodo's journey, he kept the quest together, so to speak. I think that's sort of what Tolkien wanted us to understand, that 'little' people--just ordinary folks can change the world.
Ok, why don't we get into more obscure characters, or go into more depth with the ones we've established? Maybe Theoden, Faramir etc. etc.
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Post subject: Posted: January 2nd, 2006, 12:04 am |
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I most definatly think that Sam is the bravest one in the book. By far.
There are so many others. Theoden, Eowyn, Arwen, the hobbits...the list goes on
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Post subject: Posted: July 26th, 2006, 9:22 pm |
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First of all, i'd like to say something about the definition of bravery. I don't think that bravery is the absence of fear, but rather, going on in spite of being afraid.
keeping that in mind, I'd have to say that the bravest character is undoubtedly Frodo. Frodo knew the dangers of taking the Ring to Mordor. He had already been chased by some of Sauron's most terrible creatures. He knew that taking the Ring to Mordor would be even harder and more perilous than just getting it to Rivendell. Yet he still volunteered to take the Ring and face all of that. For Middle earth. that's amazing.
Then, when the rest of the fellowship (except Sam of course) had to leave him, he was still willing to go on. and he did.
Frodo suffered so much whie bearing the Ring, especially as they got closer to Mordor. He says he can't even remember the Shire or the taste of strawberries, or anything that brings him joy anymore, like he is just naked in the dark. And he still goes on, even then.
I know he gives in to the Ring in the end, but as I've said in another of my posts, we all would have been really disappointed if Frodo would have just thrown the Ring into Mount Doom without a problem. It would have made the whole mission seem void, and the power of the Ring seem like nothing if someone could willingly destroy it.
Frodo goes on through the deepest parts of darkness and fear, and he keeps going, to save Middle Earth. To me, that means he is the bravest character. I love Frodo.
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Post subject: Posted: July 26th, 2006, 9:28 pm |
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P.S. I think that we all have to love Sam, because we all love Frodo. And it's almost like Sam is the only one who loves Frodo as much as we do.  I would almost say that Sam is the bravest, except that he doesn't go through as much emotional and physical torture as Frodo. He is still one of my favorite chracters though and definitely second bravest.
 Sam makes me want to smile and give him a hug.
I forgot to put all of this in my first post which was already of biblical length anyway.
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Post subject: Posted: July 28th, 2006, 5:43 am |
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Magistra Nocte wrote: Legolas of course! Why, you ask? Well, he could of tangled his hair so easily! And he did! But he kept on going! And that's very brave coming from a drama queen like Legolas  (By the way...... I was not being serious)
That was the quite funniest thing I've ever read!  *laughs herself dead and is a ghost now* Oh, hey why is everyone ranning away from me? Hello?
To be serious, for me is Sam the bravest.
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Post subject: Posted: July 30th, 2006, 9:42 pm |
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[cont'd again]
Faramir
Despite the fact that he was disliked by his father and constantly in the shadow of his older brother [though he is dead], he continues to fulfill his father's wishes even if he knows nothing will come of it. He knows his father will not love him any more than before. He does not fear his father's wrath anymore, nor what will happen to him in the end. This is not despair he is showing, but a strength that he can continue on.
Aragorn
Of course we all know Aragorn is brave. He is a skilled warrior, and accepting of his place as king, which definitely took a great amount of bravery [as we can see through his hesitation]. He is also being brave for Arwen. He may never see her again, but with that knowledge, he continues to hope.
Theoden
It takes a lot of bravery and courage to be able to become a leader not once but twice. The first time he was led astray by Saruman, but he was given a second chance. He became more sure that he could lead the second time around and he took that second chance willingly.
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Post subject: Posted: August 9th, 2006, 1:22 am |
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I think that Frodo is cuz for takeing a mision...Quest...Thing like that would be dangeruos!!!
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Post subject: Posted: September 1st, 2006, 11:45 pm |
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Tinuviel's Tears wrote: First of all, i'd like to say something about the definition of bravery. I don't think that bravery is the absence of fear, but rather, going on in spite of being afraid. ~T.T
I was going to say the very same thing! Thank you for making that point.
On that note, I think Frodo showed a lot of courage in volunteering to take the ring to Mordor, "though he did not know the way", because originally he only planned on going as far as Rivendell, giving the ring to someone wiser, and going home to a safer Shire. He didn't do it for the glory and fame. He probably didn't even want to do it. But he did it because he loved the Shire, and it was lucky he did because he turned out to be pretty much the only person who could handle the ring and not be tempted by it. He did falter at the end (and probably would have failed had Gollum not bitten off his finger), but otherwise he was, in my opinion, the bravest.
Eowyn was also incredibly brave. She defied traditional gender roles and went into battle with the men, and ended up killing the Witch King! I think that, like Frodo, she had a task that only she could do (no living man am I, etc.), and she did it even though she was probably afraid.
And what about Gandalf? He faced down a Balrog - anyone would be afraid to do that, and most of us would be terrified! I suppose he is a maia, but so was the Balrog.
I could think of more to say, but I don't have time, as my mother is getting critical of both the time I spend online and my obsession with LotR. 
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Post subject: Posted: September 8th, 2006, 1:45 pm |
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Magistra Nocte wrote: vikingmaiden wrote: What about Frodo? He definately shows heroism many times in the book. He stands up to the Nazgul (even though it's partially out of his control), and I think somewhat in his dealing with Gollum. He first believes Gollum should be slain (in his discussion with Gandalf), but shows the discernment to not kill him. Frodo sees how Gollum can help without rashly killing him. There were many times that Frodo could have turned back--and just not care about the doom of Middle-earth, but he had strength and help from Sam to get through it.
yay for Frodo! But at the end he failed..... and then Gollum 'accidently' knocked him and the ring into the molten lava of Mount Doom 
Aye, you are completely right. Frodo..and as for every individual...is a mortal in the flesh. Nobody would have had the willpower to actually destroy the Ring...nobody at all. Which makes Frodo an even more honourable character, because even though he was inadequate for the job he still went. Frodo knew he couldn't do it...and he didn't, not even Gollum's 'accident'. Sure, Frodo was recognised as the Ring-bearer and honoured for his deeds...but it was a higher power that moved and destroyed the Ring.
Sort of puts a new spin on the definition of 'bravery'...
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Post subject: Re: Who is.... Posted: September 8th, 2006, 6:21 pm |
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vikingmaiden wrote: Ok, I'd like to see which characters everyone thinks is the bravest in LotR. There are no wrong answers to this question, just say who you think is the bravest and why they exhibit bravery. If you think more than one is brave, that's ok, but don't just say everyone, narrow it down to a few! 
I would say Boromir because he had given his life to protect the halflings. And Sam is the bravest too he saved Frodo from many dangers especially from himself (I mean Sam did not let Frodo use the ring) and Gollum of course
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Post subject: Posted: October 9th, 2006, 12:44 pm |
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Deagol is quite brave. He did not gave the Ring to Smeagol untill our Gollum killed him. It was just a Ring. *Ahum*
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