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PostPosted: July 11th, 2005, 12:19 pm 
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Mablung wrote:
I think that Denethor's death was inevitable, but I don't think that he necessarily deserved it. Of all the characters in the story, I think Denethor suffered the most in the film treatment - not through John Noble's performance which was excellent - but through the screenwriting.

In the film, Denethor is seen as already going mad, uncaring, stubborn and ineffectual yet this is not how he is portrayed in the books. Very little of what you see in the film can relate back to the book version so it inevitable that he has become such an evil figure.

The book Denethor has the beacons lit before Gandalf even gets to Minas Tirith and is in complete, and sane, command of the forces of Gondor up until Faramir is brought back injured. The relationship between Denethor and Faramir is a lot less hostile as well - when Faramir is sent back out to fight, the battle is still going on so Denethor is not sending him out to die.

The only reason that Denethor has to be killed off is that he is not willing to stand down for Aragorn. Not surprising as he has been ruler for thirty odd years - and his replacement is Thorongil, who was more important to Denethor's father than Denethor was. It's simply too sticky an issue for them to work around, so it is better if he is just removed from the picture.

So in my opinion yes, he had to die, but he did not deserve it.


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I agree. although it would be nice to read a fic where Denethor survives... i'll check on FF.net if anyone was so nice and wrote it ;)

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Try checking out the stories by Evendim on FF.net - she has written a couple of stories where Denethor not only survives but is reconciled with Faramir. There are loads of stories on her home page, but I think that The White Rod is one of them - another is The House of Telcontar.

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i thought he should have lived. not that i liked his character or anything, its just when he was dying he started to appreciate faramir more. i hoped that he would be saved and be a 'good' father to faramir

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I think that is a tough question. Judging whether someone deserves to die or not. Not one that can be easily answered. It depends on who you liked better. In on instance if you liked Boromir a lot, then Denethor's favouratism for him may make sense to you. If you're a Faramir fan, U might hate Denethor for liking Boromir "better". There are so many different points of view, and mine personally can only be described as other's have said in Gandalf's wise words:

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Gandalf's words, just the solution. So some who live deserve death, some who die deserve life---Tolkien obviously believed in that. The thing is, did Tolkien think Denethor deserved death? Probably no one will ever find out. But I wish Denethor could have lived. I wish he could have been able to talk to his son again. But he didn't. That's why it's so sad.

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I think he should of learnt how to stop drop and roll :explode: denethor


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^good points Elf friends!!!


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Mablung wrote:
Try checking out the stories by Evendim on FF.net


OK thanx :), I'll take a look

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Larael wrote:
...so yes Denethor deserved to die, plus he treated Faramir his only living son like dirt. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.......I hate Denethor so much!!!!!!!!!!!! :explode:


Heh heh! I so empathize with that outbreak of emotion! But you must reign those feelings in, as I am trying to do, and realize the wisdom of Gandolf's words that have already been quoted many times in this thread.

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I don't think that Denethor deserved to die, but it wasn't like I was sad when he died :P He wasn't evil enough, in my opinion, to DESERVE to die. I mean, in the end, he really did care about Faramir...a little :P He did go kind of wack-o though....*scratches head*

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