The Flame Imperishable is an ITEM not a PART of Eru. most evidence suggests that its something entirely seperate of Eru only that it lies with him. I believe that if Eru wanted to he could pass the Flame onto another.

About Melkor - All the Ainur are simply parts of Eru's mind. This can be held true for Melkor. However when Melkor began to percieve thoughts of his own, he began to brake out of the mould he had originated from. This was the start of all evil and Tolkien did not describe it in much detail.

OK all the Ainur can create beings by simply distributing there mind amoungst others. So these beings are just part of the Ainur when they first materialise. BUT then when they see the world for themselves, and begin to explore then they will develop a side independent from there origin. Dwarves are the ultimate example.

Nice to see that my thread is full of people who wanna inform me and discuss about the thread. I am appreciated for all your contributions to this thread.

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ok, so the Ainur are all a part of Iluvatar's mind, but they still have an own will to some extend, haven't they??

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Yes they have there own mind. However that independent mind started from when Eru brought them into being, anything before that and they were simply nothing more than Eru if you see what I mean. They developed there own will once brought into being.

However in Arda the Ainur are simply guardians of the World, which each Ainur governs according to how they see there part of Eru's mind wants it. Its very difficult to explain clearly.

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I can totally agree with that now (that's what I tried to say in my last post)

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well....I like Melkor,he is so cool 8) .I don`t like Varda at all,his brother\lover\lord(Eru),to some extent,made his decadence........
but the one thing I will never forgive Melkor was the ruin of Gondolin and his foolish\queasiness,dirty servants//(slew my dear Ecthelion!!!!!!)

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if the constellations appeared only once in thousands years ,imagine what an exciting event it would be.but they`re up there every night ,we barely give them a look.

Hmm... did you just say Eru was brother of Melkor?

I wish i could understand this thread. I was asking for Morgoth about who could be him??

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What do you mean 'Who could be him'?

I meant Morgoth

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Morgoth is an Ainur, an Angelic being of The One God. He fell from his might into Darkness and came to be the Great Dark Lord. This has been said numerous times.

Yeah I guess I missed that part

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