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I'll be going to see PC in the next few weeks when I've re-read all the books.
But for now....
1) There should have been no opening whatsoever for any romance between Caspian and Susan. They hardly spoke to each other. Why they have to romanticise these things is beyond me.
2) He is not Spanish. Anyone saying "I say!" or "look here!" is decidedly English.
3) Caspian is mentioned as a kid. He doesn't look like a kid to me.
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2008, 3:20 pm |
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^ I agree with you to the utmost Mummy dearest.
I have decided that Im not going to see the movie. EVER. Unless it belongs to a friend. Im not going to buy anything which will support something which I dont like. I kinda decided that after the first week of the movie being out. I dont think my money is worth it... I mean I think that they slaughtered the spirt that C.S Lewis put into his books - innocence -sigh-
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2008, 3:34 pm |
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Thank you snookums. 
Well I wouldn't quite go that far.  Because there are some aspects of it I *hope* they do quite well.
The problem with the Narnia books unlike LOTR, is there is too little in them. When I say problem, I mean for a company that is trying to get another LOTR thing going, and personally, I think they could have made very nice, faithful well done films for each book, easily in under 2 hours. But no. They HAVE to add more stuff to them don't they (yes, precious) like kissy-wissy-I'm-High-King-You're-Just-King- things going on as well.
It's a shame to say, that the BBC series was more faithful. I mean, that series with today's modern effects, would have been brilliant. Perfect adaptation. But Hollywood is never interested in perfect adaptation. Just money.
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2008, 4:18 pm |
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TT, nice! Thanks for all the support! Lol  huh?
Haha, I’m happy I’m not the only one who thought that about Caspian’s costume at the end of PC.  I thought it looked a little funny too!
Oooo! I. WANT. SUSAN’S. GOWN! 
Gee, I’m kind of sorry to read this negativity about PC…  I know the movie is a bit unlike the book, but it’s still a very good movie in and of itself. Sometimes you have to separate books from movies anyway. Like in RotK really… there were several things in the movie that weren’t in the book, that doesn’t mean that the movie is rubbish. They can’t do everything perfectly like the book… that would just get boring. You would always know what was going to happen next. And I thought all the additions they made were brilliant for the movie.  sure, they weren’t in the book, but so what? They were still cool and if you think about it they could still be believable to the story. the writers, director ect. were actually using their imagination and adding in what could be conceivable. And the books ARE only so long as JF pointed out... they had time to add more stuff it so why shouldn't they? I applaud them for handling what they added in so well. it's not like they changed it so much to the point where it's completely sickening.  I thought the movie rocked! (every changed or kept the same part of it)
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2008, 4:41 pm |
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I think the big difference with LOTR is that any reason why things were added or even cut, was explained as to why. And you know, if Christopher Lee himself though the additions to LOTR were improvements on the story, who are we to disagree?
The who Caspian/Susan thing, I'm sorry just shouldn't be there. Not even a hint. C.S Lewis' books were pure and beyond that. In Prince Caspian, Peter and Edmund regained their former Kingly selves, and did not for one second, begrudge or bicker with Caspian, who was in real need of their help, and was more than a little in awe of them. And not to mention grateful.
I'm all for changes, but when spirits of books have been changed... you have to ask why they bothered adapting the stories, and why didn't they try and be original and create their own story instead.
I'm sure I'll still enjoy it, but it would be better if they stopped needless meddling in stories that are simple to adapt, yet they make them more complicated to keep the running time ticking, not to mention adding things so people can go SQUEE and feel all warm and squishy about.
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2008, 6:35 pm |
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Once again I agree with JF. Its the SPIRIT of the book that's been changed. So much so that I just dont want to watch it. It my choice, and I dont really care. Theres ALOT of movies out there that I just decided not to watch because Im an unfortunately a stubborn person. Its not my view, and I dont want to support it. They already made I dunno how many billions, and I could use my twelve bucks on something I would actually enjoy.
And I feel like this movie was all about them making money. I REALLY enjoyed LWW, no denying it. But they slaughtered the small, pure story C.S put into PC.
I love change if it stays true to sprit, and its relevant. But turning Peter and Edmund into snotty little boys was just unnecessary.
I definitely SQUEE-ed in a few parts of LWW And Reep looks like a cutie. -hugs PD- Bubs, I know you love the movie, and I dont mean to ruin it for YOU by making you feel like Im going to hit you on the head because you like it. You go on being a fangirl Im happy not seeing it and loving the books... I unfortunately have no love for the movie. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 4:12 pm |
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however, it is a bit harsh of you two to judge this movie when you have never seen it. 
but anyway today I was reading about Susan in the Companion to Narnia book and I liked what I read.  good old Su! It just sorta told about her in LWW, PC, HHB, and LB and it was basically all the stuff we already knew. Except there were a few new things that I never picked up on in the books about her slowly drifting away even when she was Queen of Narnia ect. And about her need to be the adult even at the very, very start… all through it. it was very interesting and I have to say I adored discovering and realizing how close they kept to her character in the movies, but all that stuff we already know. anyway, at the very end it said:
Quote: "This is not to say, as some critics have maintained, that she is lost forever. Lewis intends only to explain how it is possible to reject the joy that comes from being in Narnia and also to illustrate one way of doing so. It is a mistake to think that Susan was killed in the railway accident at the end of LB and that she has forever fallen from grace. It is to be assumed, rather, that as a woman of twenty-one who has just lost her entire family in a terrible crash, she will have much to work through; in the process, she might change to become truly the gentle person she has the potential for being…"
And then it goes on about various other things, but this was the gist of it.  so finally, some real proof that Susan's fall from Narnia wasn't a complete or sure thing! happiness!
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 4:19 pm |
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^ I like the fanfics where, after the train wreck, Susan rediscovers her faith/remembers Narnia, etc, and she is redeemed, so she goes to Aslan's country when she dies.
grown-up/holier-than-thou!Susan hacks me off. Like Polly Plummer says in LB, she rushes to get to [the age she is in LB], and she'll spend the rest of her life trying to stay that age.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 4:21 pm |
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I agree with PD. You can't really judge the movie if you haven't seen it. It really was quite true to the book, even throwing scenes in that I loved. Like Reepicheep losing his tail. Also, I have to say that Ed wasn't a "Snotty little boy" in the movie, Saira. He was perfectly fine, and more likable then he was in LWW. Peter wasn't "snotty" either, the things his character went through made perfect sense to me. The tension between Peter and Caspian made sense. It is part of being Human, if you ask me. And the movie did a good job of showing that in Peter.
Caspian is older then he was in the books...Big deal. Don't let a Character's age, of all things, ruin a movie for you. Ben Barnes did a good job in the movie, and he owns the part of Caspian IMO.
Anywho, just my Opinion.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 5:59 pm |
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Padawan, Laugh it up.  I know it's not a skirt, but that's what it looked like.
Earenyde, Yay! someone agrees with me!
PD, what? You don't appreciate my pity? Oh, don't play innocent... it doesn't work.
Yeah... I thought it was rather weird. My and my friends spent an evening googling it... and laughing.
Hmmm... interesting discussion.
Firstly, about judging a movie you haven't seen... well, let's be real. You can. People do all the time. I mean, PD, you and I have both already judged HSM 3... So... People do judge movies, and it is possible to judge a movie somewhat fairly, without seeing it. You can read about it, listen to what people have said about it, etc. That's just my 2 cents on the matter.
But, as to the actual movie, I don't think either of you two have to worry. I mean, yes, there were changes. You can't make a movie without making changes. Purists will disagree, but I'm happy that in both Narnia and LotR changes were made. JF, you say that the changes are "needless"... well, I suppose that's true. But, they are trying to get an audience here... a young, modern audience. *shrugs*
Anyway, I'm being kicked off the compy here... but, seriously, PC rocked. With all it's changes, all it's differences from the book, it still had... well, I think, the spirit of the original. And no one can say that they movie itself was not well made.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 6:24 pm |
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*fight past waves of nausea to post this* 
Oh my. 
Well, you all apparently have very good reasons for liking or not liking the movie. I do think, however, that those of you who don't like it should give it a chance before you throw it in the bucket. I know that Tolkien and Lewis purists will squall about any and all changes in the movie versions of the books, but really, if you take a step back from comparing the movies to the books and just look at the movies and books seprately you will find that the movies aren't half bad and the changes that were made weren't meant to take away anything from the book.
*closes eyes and pauses from posting*
*feels sick*
Ugh.
Anyway, we can all have our opinions on the movies and books, but what matters is that we respect the other peoples views...
*leaves before is even sicker*
(First day of drivers ed was today and they kicked it off with some videos that words can't discribe - horror doesn't even come close. It was so too much, and as the realization washed over me that this wasn't CGI and that it was real, I totally blacked out. Literally. It was like my brain couldn't take it and was shutting down my body. I couldn't see anything, I felt like I was majorly gonna get sick, my ears were ringing, and I was really dizzy...all for like 4 minutes. It was just awful... 
Thankfully there was a break after that so I could slowly make my way out of the room when I got my vision back, and go outside and eat as much candy as I could find in my purse to get my blood sugar levels up again.
Sorry for the long ramble anout me, but now you'll know why I'm just a bit woosy...  ) _________________  Secret Evil Twin of Aranel Faelwen .World Domination since 2008.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 6:55 pm |
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Well you know peeps, I hate to say this... but I don't think me and Saira have actually been judging the film... but you know, what we know for definite is in it. Such as the kiss and the whole Peter/Caspian thing.
From my point of view it seems to the most stupid thing on the planet to have any hint of romance between Caspian and Susan. You know, I'd love to know what people would have thought about Frodo and Arwen having a kissy-wissy - two people like Caspian and Susan who hardly spoke, yet where drawn together into a plot. The film may well be an enjoyable 2 hours, but watching it is not going to change my opinion of something like this. I'm not telling people to agree with me, I'm not even asking, but you know, you have your opinions and you're welcome to them, and I have mine.
Caspian's age is something that I could possibly deal with, but I have a suspicion he's only older to accomodate the kiss. I never said the age difference was going to ruin the film.... but it wouldn't have hurt them to keep in the right age.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 8:53 pm |
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Earyende, and I think that's what happened to Susan too. And I like that end as well... I knew there was a reason I never gave up on Su.
Bala, thanks for agreeing with me here.
TT, erm, it doesn't? Why not?
I know! That's what I thought too. seriously? you did?
yes, yuo have a point. We have judge HSM 3 before we've seen it BUT we're going by what we've seen in the other 2 which we don't like very much anyway. the way I see that is it's different. we have something serious to judge it by. Yes, you are right people do judge movies all the time, but still, maybe all those judgings are unfair. at any rate, the people you read reviews from are critics who, as far as I'm concerned, can take all of their ideas about movies and go tell them to someone who cares. I care not what any of the critics say about movies... and I never have. I'm not saying that I don't judge movies sometimes... sometimes I do, yes, BUT a lot of that is still probably unfair towards the movie. Sure, you might know things happen in the movie, but the building up to those things might be different from what you think. It might be more gradual and sweet than what you might think. And just because it's not in the books doesn't mean it can't work for the story they've set up in a movie.
Padawan, oh dear, sorry to hear about the driver's ed! what was it that they showed that was so horrible?! gee, poor dear!
yes, I agree... just because they changed the movie a tad from the book it doesn't make the book mean any less and it doesn't mean the movie is any worse. They are both enjoyable for their own qualities. And really the Suspian stuff isn't bad at all. It's not in-your-face, it's very tolerable, I think.
all their changes fit for the movie and added to the world of Narnia... they aren't any reasons to disregard the movie as something worthless.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 10:10 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Such as the kiss and the whole Peter/Caspian thing.
Caspian's age is something that I could possibly deal with, but I have a suspicion he's only older to accomodate the kiss. I never said the age difference was going to ruin the film.... but it wouldn't have hurt them to keep in the right age.
I think the change in Caspian's age is to be a little more in line with the Pevensie's looks. I mean, in the book, he's supposed to be about Peter's age. William Moseley is 21. So you need someone that looks about the same age as [Will]. I dunno, if I had a beef about Caspian, it would be more about his looks than his age. In VotDT, it says he's blond. Oh well.
One of the "reviews" I left after seeing it was commenting on the kiss. Yes, in the book, Susan and Caspian have almost no interaction, but they decided to change that for the movie... I don't know. I thought it was handled well, it was more of a friendly/farewell kiss. Not very shippy, although "Suspian" has flared up like whoa since the movie.
I thought the whole Peter/Caspian dynamic was annoying, but I understand it. In the movie, Caspian is trying to be a leader, but Peter is still in the "High King" mindset and is having difficulty letting someone else take over. I don't think they have those problems in the book (maybe because of their ages in the book, being young?).
If you don't like the movie, that's fine, but you should at least try the movie before totally shooting it down...
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2008, 10:41 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Well you know peeps, I hate to say this... but I don't think me and Saira have actually been judging the film... but you know, what we know for definite is in it. Such as the kiss and the whole Peter/Caspian thing.
From my point of view it seems to the most stupid thing on the planet to have any hint of romance between Caspian and Susan. You know, I'd love to know what people would have thought about Frodo and Arwen having a kissy-wissy - two people like Caspian and Susan who hardly spoke, yet where drawn together into a plot. The film may well be an enjoyable 2 hours, but watching it is not going to change my opinion of something like this. I'm not telling people to agree with me, I'm not even asking, but you know, you have your opinions and you're welcome to them, and I have mine.
Caspian's age is something that I could possibly deal with, but I have a suspicion he's only older to accomodate the kiss. I never said the age difference was going to ruin the film.... but it wouldn't have hurt them to keep in the right age.
You are after my own heart Mummy dearest. I wasnt judging the movies. I was stating that its just something that I dont want to watch because its not Narnia to me anymore. Im sure that everyone who enjoys it is going to pounce and kill, but its just something Im not interested in. The Frodo-Arwen thing is kinda exactly how Im seeing Susan/Caspian... Im just too much a Narnia purist to let go of my silly, stupid attachments And Im gonna keep it that way.
I would also like to apologize for the use of the word 'snotty' in accordance to Edmund. I must have been off my rocker But I just feel like a more clean storyline, C.S style would have been awesome. I look at the books, and they are so simplistic because they are all about SYMBOLISM. Its just so deep, and the movie depicts it so shallow
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Post subject: Posted: June 24th, 2008, 3:30 pm |
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PD, I forgot how interesting a PD argument cold get.
That's true. But everyone one judges knows at least something about the movie. I mean, as JF points out, they're not even judging the movie. Just the Suspian part. And they do know a lot about that. All there is to know, really. So, isn't fair that they judge that part at least? Um did I even mention critics? I think I meant reviews from people here on AU... but still. Critics... I don't have a strong dislike for them like many of you seem to have. I agree with them a lot. And, well, people do think that critics are stuck up... and I don't know if I'd disagree with that. But... anyway, on the topic of critics, I loved that little quote from Rataullie: "But the hard truth we critics must face is that the average peice of junk is worth more then our citizism designating it so". They should face that... (haha... which means that DMC/AWE is worth more then my critisism. Or perhaps it isn't average ) I kid... Don't kill me.  ) Anyway, that's my thoughts on critics. Anyway, back to the point, if you didn't judge movies, you'd be stuck having to see all of them. There are quite a few movies that I've already judged... And I think I'm completly fair in doing so. Like, um... What Happens in Vegas, Napolian Dynamite, Harry Potter, Disturbia... (don't take offense, please) I mean, those are all movies my friends love. I've listened to every word they say about them, and firmly decided, I would not like those movies. They're just not my type.
Anyway... um, it really doesn't matter.
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