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Ok, well I saw Prince Caspian last night and here is what I thought of it.
First off. I can appreciate why they added more to the film to give a bit more oopmh. Some of the scenes added worked quite well, however there are some that didn't.
*ahem*
I thought the opening was a pretty good idea rather than it opening with the kids. I thought the mood was quite good, and I loved the scenery that was used to perfection in Caspian's escape. Oh, and Miraz = COOL.
You probably already know this, but the scene between Susan and specs-boy just made me slump down in my seat and rest my hand on my chin. Urgh, pur-lease. The fight between Peter and the other boys probably made sense in some way when it came to Peter fighting with Miraz - however, that has always been a big plot hole in the both Narnia films, that no-one has mentioned they feel stronger physically, and the fact when they return to Narnia, their kingly and queenly strengths flow back - but the whole "I'm sick of being treated like a kid" made Peter to be out a bigger whiny pratt than he already is (in the films that is). I'm not sure that it would have been so hard for film audiences to accept that the children are living in their own world as they used to before their first adventure.
I thought the arrival into Narnia was extremely well done. It perfectly visualized what Lewis set out in the book.
Trumpkin - OMG I wish he'd drowned. I always liked Trumpkin, he was cheerful and loyal and funny but in a good way. Not this Trumpkin, he was awful. Nikabrik (played by the wonderful Warick Davis who played Reepicheep and Glimfeather in the BBC version) was WONDERFUL, and for some reason, I think they named the Dwarfs wrong. He would have been the most PERFECT Trumpkin, and misery-gob-imposter-Trumpkin should have been Nik.
Reep - Hmm. Well the red feather on his head looked stupid. The only reason that was there was because it singled him out from the other mice (which you know, intelligent people could have done with any help). I can't remember him having a feather in the book, but on screen it didn't really work. Reep himself was OK, they didn't ruin him as much as I expected, but like the rest of the CGI characters, the animation was pretty bad.
Caspian - He wasn't as bad as I thought he was going to be. Although I'm still not convinced why he wanted to help the Narnians. A simple scene of him as a child listening to stories of Narnia, and trying to talk to trees and speaking to his horse, would have given a stronger impression of his motivation to help Narnia. As it was, he didn't even know what half of the creatures were to begin with and like with Peter and Susan in the first film (they spend half the film bickering about being in Narnia and the next minute they're happy to die for it) I'm not truly convinced as to why he was going to help them. In the books we learn so much more about his love for Narnia, rather than his hatred and blood lust for his uncle. The scene in the woods where he was being icky and speech stirring (supposedly) and they were all offering swords and bows... eh... if they had to add something that wasn't in the books along those lines, you'd think they'd used something different than the Council of Elrond scene.
Edmund - Not in it enough. Simple as that. He is definitely the best actor out of the two brothers. And it was nice to see his character had grown... whereas some of them had gone backwards....
Lucy - Same with Edmund. Lucy to me IS a part of Narnia. Part of the magic of the first film was Lucy and the way she was entranced with Narnia (although it was more evident in the book). They lost a lot of scenes in the book with her, and with it, they lost some of the spirit of Narnia.
Aslan - As my brother said (who hasn't read the books in years) Aslan is pretty useless in the films. He doesn't do much, he lets people die and it's never explained properly who or what he is. And I agree. There's so much more to Aslan that isn't even eluded to. The CGI for him was better this time though.
Peter & Caspian - It's a bit like the chicken and the egg here. I don't know what came first. A) they decided to make Caspian older than Peter thereby it looked odd that an older bloke was being told what to do by a younger boy, therefore they made them bicker or B) they decided to make them argue no matter what the age.
Personally, I wanted to find something cold and wet and hit them both with it. For just ONCE, why did Hollywood have to predictable and go down the path everyone else would have taken? Regardless of the book (my brother disliked the arguing and he remembers nothing of the book) could they not have been friends? Could they not have seen in each other something that made them want to work together to save the land they loved?
Castle Battle - There are like a million things they changed from the book to get this scene going - but that's Ok, this is one of the changes which I may not 100% like, but I can full understand why they added it in. (This scene could still have been in if Caspian and Peter has got along, rather than both of their ego's getting in the way and jepordizing the mission, Peter firstly for suggesting it and Caspian for ruining it thank to his lust for revenge). Anyway, it was well done. I liked it. Until they slaughtered all the Narnians. In the books obviously Narnians died, and to be honest it always made me really sad. In proper battles (like in the first film) there is so much going on, the camera doesn't tend to linger on individual deaths. Having a single Minotaur holding up a falling gateway, trying to allow Narnians through, only for it to be so pierced and wounded that the gate drops, trapping young and old centaurs, fauns and other beasts, then watching Pratty William looking on as the drawbridge closes on his *failed* mission as he sees all the faces of the Narnians and hears all the cries of pain. And THEN to have an overhead shot of the dead. I'm sorry but when was this film like Deathly Hallows? I appreciate people have to die inthe films, they're not all sweetness and light, but I didn't see any reason for them to darken to film as much as they did. The "excecution" scene was actually the point where I started finding more and more wrong with this film, as I was just so saddend by such an uneccesary scene.
The White Witch - Hmm. I like to think Lewis had a more complicated reason in his mind of how you can bring back a dead witch. I thought it showed both the weakness of Caspian and William to be honest, and just proved what I'd thought for a while, that Edmund should be High King.
Susan - Personally, I think she's the biggest victim of the films. In the books she was a good character but was firstly reduced to a bickering spoilsport and now someone who is so desperate (at this stage) to be a grown up that a) she wasn't happy to be in Narnia and b) she was batting her eyes at the first man she saw.
Susan & Caspian - Not much to say really. I'd like to think I'd have more self reserve after speaking to a bloke three times and having him handle me onto a horse.
Peter & Miraz's battle - This was pretty well done as well. I can't really find anything to say about it, as it worked as it should have done and it looked convincing that a young boy could fight as well as an older man. Did I mention Miraz was cool by the way?
Lucy & Aslan - I was majorly disappointed that we didn't see more of Lucy and Aslan's (and where was Susan?) journey and the people they met and gathered for the army. It would have just given the viewer another glimpse of Narnia.
Underground caverns - I always had trouble picturing the area where Caspian & Co where holed up, so it was nice to actually see a representation of it.
Sunken ground - I would be hypocritical if I didn't say there were a few scenes in LOTR that were frankly over the top. (Legolas the Mumakil leaps tp mind). This for me though, was the most stupid thing I'd seen in either Narnia film. Centaurs, etc etc underground, smashing aside pillars keeping the ground in place, whilst running out of the tunnel, up a ramp made of grass that suddenly folded down (I'd love to know they made that) so the ground beneath the enemies feet would disappear beneath them. Ook.
Trees - This is something that has always confused me from the first film. From what I remember dryads were tree-like people, who were the spirit of the trees and could move about freely from their tree, which is why the blossom people in the first film confused me as they were nothing like people at all. So I was even more surprised to see massive trees whomping into the battlefield (all the help that Lucy and Aslan had brought) and like very ill Ents, get to work grabbing people with their roots, and shooting their roots miles underground and ripping the earth apart. Hmm. I could be wrong, but that was sort of an anti-climax. t least with the Army of the Dead we had the Black Gate battle minus their help to look forward to.
The ending to me, was cheesy. Not the actual ending itself, but that God-awful song which would have been suited to an American comedy or something. *rips out hair* As my brother said, they could have waited until the film had ended before they abused our ears.
Now, amazingly I did like this film. *gasp* Not lots and lots and lots with a cherry on top but enough. You have to realise with me, when I'm in the cinema, I tend to get so blown away, unless something really, really pleases me or really annoys me, I tend to forget most of it by the end of the day. It's been 24 hours now since I saw PC, so my mind can't remember all the finer details that I did like.
I did try and go in with an un-biased mind, and I think I deserve a cookie because if I as a real purist there would have been next to nothing to like. My brother asked me what did I think of the changes and I was like "well there are so many, I can't remember them all".
And whether they worked or not, it is true that there were many, many changes. And sadly, for me, if I looked back I could trace the reason for the changes to specific things, like Peter and Caspian's relationship. So, really if anyone thinks my comments harsh, had I not allowed myself to go with the flow (until it really jarred agianst something), it could be a lot, lot worse.
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Post subject: Posted: July 1st, 2008, 5:26 pm |
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-pets JF and hands cookie- You do dearie. I saw it too... Source wont be disclosed. Hated it. Thats about all I can say. I could go on and on about how I think they should have just not MADE the stupid thing, but that's okay.
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Johnny's Fan wrote: You probably already know this, but the scene between Susan and specs-boy just made me slump down in my seat and rest my hand on my chin. Urgh, pur-lease.  He was a loser, but watching Susan try and ignore him was funny. Quote: Reep - Hmm. Well the red feather on his head looked stupid.... I can't remember him having a feather in the book, but on screen it didn't really work. In the book illustrations (at least the one I have) it shows Reepicheep drawn with a feather, and I'm not sure, but I think he might have it in the text, too. Don't know if it was red... Quote: Edmund - Not in it enough. Simple as that.
Lucy - Same with Edmund. Lucy to me IS a part of Narnia.  Very true. Quote: Sunken ground - This for me though, was the most stupid thing I'd seen in either Narnia film. Centaurs, etc etc underground, smashing aside pillars keeping the ground in place, whilst running out of the tunnel, up a ramp made of grass that suddenly folded down (I'd love to know they made that) so the ground beneath the enemies feet would disappear beneath them. Ook.
Well, the whole smashing pillars thing wasn't too bad, but the ramp was kind of like... huh? I just wish the ground had sunk further down. It didn't look very deep- they were still crawling out! It helped delay the Telmarines, but it didn't stop them.
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Post subject: Posted: July 1st, 2008, 11:25 pm |
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*reads JF's very long post*
I'm suprised you actually liked the movie, JF...
*hands you a cookie*
At least you went to see it though, and tried to go in with an unbiased mind. 
I won't comment on your thoughts about the movie. We've all got our opinions, and at least we can post them with out fighting about it as Nienor so kindly put it.  I do want to warn you, though, about the very likely PD rant that will ensue once she reads all of your posts....  
[Nienor, I do agree. I was actually looking at my book most of the time, but one can't shut off the sound of the vid, and that was almost worse than the picture on the screen. *sniffles*  I'm with you though. I had gone into DE not wanting to drive at all, much less wanting to speed...  *sigh* Unnecessary torment is a lovely way to describe the vids.  ] _________________  Secret Evil Twin of Aranel Faelwen .World Domination since 2008.
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 12:01 am |
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@ Saira - Thankees. Oh, well I am sorry you didn't like it. I thought there were parts that kept to the book, or at least captured some of the spirit.
@ Eäryendë - I actually felt sorry for him but the whole scene was cringe making. Yeah, you could be right about Reep, as I said I wasn't sure, and the colour doesn't really matter. It just looked... odd. I was too busy watching his feather to notice him. I think it was just a bit much really with the ground. I was like "how did they know it would work that well" and the ramp was just freaky. 
@ Padawan - Lol, well as I said, anything I didn't object to, I can't really remember as I tend to remember the negative things, especially if there are a few of them. I could probably watch it again tomorrow, and still dislike things, but be more aware of things that were OK. Ooh, cookie. *muches happily* Weeeell, it would be a pretty boring world if we all agreed on everything. I just try and actually give some weight to my dislikes and things like - "OMG I didn't like it because her hair was too brown!!!!!" - really annoy me. I try not to go down that road, and actually explain why I dislike something. Yes, I'm sure she will. 
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 12:09 am |
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Hehe, yeah, thanks for making your dislikes have some reality to them...
HA! ""OMG I didn't like it because her hair was too brown!!!!!" <- That was so too funny...  _________________ Secret Evil Twin of Aranel Faelwen .World Domination since 2008.
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Im too critical, but I definitely like to have weight to my dislikes Its just silly to say something completely stupid... But Im not going to rant about it here. It would take far too long. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 1:42 am |
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I find being a critic over a Book to Movie Adaption to be pointless. For there will always be changes.
If you hated PC. Just think about the Eragon Purists. PC was EXACTLY like the book compared to the Eragon movie.
And LOTR has changes. Some people hate the LOTR movies for the same reason some of you hate the PC movie. Which I will never understand.
But...Can't force anyone to like the movie. I just find it pointless to be overly critical on a Book to Movie Adaption. Because you will always be disappointed in some form or way.
Just My Opinion though. I'm glad you atleast somewhat enjoyed the movie JF.
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I dont even think its JUST the book movie adaptation. It was just the absurdity of it all. I know that y'all really want everyone to like it, but I just couldnt enjoy it. I AM a purist, but Im not stupid about it. I can see WHY they made the changes. Im a rational, functional human being who understands that they need to make as much money as possible. I just dont like it, mostly because Im terribly stubborn and just over all didnt like it. I think the music was the only thing that made me survive... Nevertheless, I shall drag my highly terrible self out Bala, if it makes you feel better _________________
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I didn't ask you to leave the topic, I was just stating my opinion....
I could really care less if you like the movie. I can still enjoy it.
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Well I spent nealy 2 years on the IMDB ROTK. Now, if you really want to see some bad opinions of a film you like. LOL!
Everyday there would be a new topic up about LOTR and how bad it was. Some people posted their thoughts rationally, and stated with perfectly good reason why they disliked something. Others simply said "LOTR is crap" and thought that was a good enough reason for dissing the film and those who like it.
I came out of it not caring that these people hated the film or disliked elements of it but still liking it because it's me and not they who choose to decide what I do and do not like.
I kinda got the feeling last time I posted here but: just because I have a problem with parts of this film, doesn't mean that others can't like it. And just because other people like it, doesn't mean I should feel obligated to do the same.
Ok, well yes obviously book to screen adapatations, if you are going to get technical then yes, you're always going to be disappointed in some way.
Most of the changes in LOTR, you can zip on the internet and find out why they were changed. I'm also guessing some things were added to give the journeys through the film a little "oomph" (like in Prince Caspian, which as I said, I didn't have a problem with that, as I could see why they added the scenes and I understood) or with the change of Faramir for example, it makes so much sense to me, someone needs to add it to the books. How can such an evil man-seducer not affect someone of Gondor even the slightest? And what better way to show the pure EVIL of the Ring, than by driving Sam away from Frodo? I can't think of anything that could have shown what an evil object the Ring was.
Anyway, the long and the short of it is. Sometimes changes have to happen, for pacing reasons or momentum. Sometimes things are added to give the story a little something else. Sometimes things are added to make a little group of people happy and hopefully make them spend lots of money to go and see it again. It's always nice to have it from the horses' mouth why some things are changed, especially when the intelligent people among us cannot figure out why things have been made different.
I admit, I am biased as I read the books recently, but as I have also said, there are some things I wasn't angered about being there.
My brother though, who like I also said, hasn't read the books in years, I think we'll all agree, is perfectly allowed to find things wrong with it, which he did. Namely the arguing between Peter and Caspian, Caspian and Susan, the fact Aslan in his words "is a bit of a drip" and a few other things as well.
So you see, whether you have read the books or not, there are people out there who didn't bounce around the room, thinking this is the best film of the year.
As I have also said, I'm not saying I didn't like it, because I did. But I can't sit here posting away about the awesomeness of it, because that would be rather pointless.
So you know, I'm sorry that there are people in this thread that don't 100% like the film, but this is the only thread that Prince Caspian can be discussed, so we'll just need to share and share alike. It's not like I totally hated the film or anything.
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Balathor wrote: If you hated PC. Just think about the Eragon Purists. PC was EXACTLY like the book compared to the Eragon movie.
Probably the worst book to movie adaptation I've ever seen.
Sorry to...intrude, but I was reading some of your reviews because I've wanted to see PC but haven't had the time yet.
But, it's nice to hear that there are hard core book fans who are accepting of the movie versions. I got into a discussion with some people in a gaiaonline forum comparing LotR books to movies and how disappointed they were. Were there some things from the book I would have liked to see? sure. Were there some things added that were pushing limits a little bit? yeah. But you have to keep in mind the people who didn't read the books as well.
That's my two cents. Also, if you want an excellent book-to-movie adaptation (and I apologize for current one track mind) read Killer Angels by Michael Shaara and then watch Ronald Maxwell's Gettysburg.
Again sorry for interrupting the Prince Caspian-ness. But is it fairly easy to follow? I've only ever read two Narnia books (lion, witch, & wardrobe, and voyage of the dawn treader). _________________ Bob Seger 11/19;Celtic Thunder 9/29 Gettysburg 150th!!!  
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That's good. Now to find a theater around here that's still showing it....
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Well I spent nealy 2 years on the IMDB ROTK. Now, if you really want to see some bad opinions of a film you like. LOL!
Everyday there would be a new topic up about LOTR and how bad it was. Some people posted their thoughts rationally, and stated with perfectly good reason why they disliked something. Others simply said "LOTR is *beep*" and thought that was a good enough reason for dissing the film and those who like it. Oh, I know, I've seen that- it's pathetic. Some people don't like it for some legitimate reason, and then there are the anti-nerds (who probably have a nerdy heart beating deep) who reject LotR for no reason. There's also a war going on between the HP movies and the Narnia movies. On both message boards; on the HP ones, Narnia fans are cutting HP, commenting on how stupid they are, and how the Narnia movies are so much better. And vice versa. Personally, I think the Narnia movies are better. I'm a convert. Quote: the fact Aslan in his words "is a bit of a drip"
Poor Aslan. Yeah, I wish Aslan had been in it more. Oh well.
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Eäryendë wrote: There's also a war going on between the HP movies and the Narnia movies. On both message boards; on the HP ones, Narnia fans are cutting HP, commenting on how stupid they are, and how the Narnia movies are so much better. And vice versa. Personally, I think the Narnia movies are better. I'm a convert.
The Harry Potter movies weren't too bad until Chris Columbus quit (and I am most definitely NOT a Harry Potter fan). I wasn't a big fan of the Lion, the witch, and the wardrobe, but I haven't watched in a long time, so that might change^^ _________________ Bob Seger 11/19;Celtic Thunder 9/29 Gettysburg 150th!!!
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