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Which adjectives describes Éowyn best?
Poll ended at June 9th, 2006, 2:25 pm
Brave and Fightening 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
Loyal and True 25%  25%  [ 2 ]
Inaccessible and Cool 13%  13%  [ 1 ]
Kind and/but vulnerable 38%  38%  [ 3 ]
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Theoden and Eowyn's relationship is an interesting one; he is actually like a father to her instead of an uncle, and this quote is him recalling their past, and regretting his mistakes.

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Indeed, as her father died so early, as well as her mother, he took over the role of her father, although he soon was corrupted by Grima and so I believe she partly had to grow up on her own without much help from any parent-like characters around.

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*Nods*

She also had Eomer - though I think she may have felt quite resentful, for he was part of the Rohirrim and could fight for his country, while she had to stay at home.

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Well, of course she had Eomer... But I think the age difference between these two wasn't big enough that he really could take over the role of her father, and he surely had other things to worry about as well as the war slowly came up.
I thought about Theodred right now, those three, so Eowyn, Eomer and him, always seemed to me to be very close. I'm not sure about his age, but I believe he was often away as well, so she was quite on her own.

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No wonder Eowyn wanted to ride away to war - being left at home all the time and having nearly no one for company.

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Indeed... everyone she loved was at the war, there was no hope that they would return, so what could be in any way positive about her staying behind and waiting?

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How frustrating to know how to wield a sword and defend herself, yet being made to stay away from all battles and look after her people in case the men did not ride home. I always feel teary when she tells Aragorn that she fears "a cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them, and all chance of valour has gone beyond recall or desire."

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Well, she really told him how she felt there and what she feared for the future as well, and still, he wanted her to do exactly that!

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Yes... Aragorn always tells her that her place is with her people, asking her who else will look after them if she's not around? Bit of a guilt trip if you ask me. She wanted to be involved in helping those she loved. It really shows how little Aragorn really knew Eowyn.

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Yes, that's true. That's why I also really doubt he knew her, and if she would have noticed this herself, she probably would have seen that her relationship to Aragorn never really could be true love.

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That's just what makes it so different with Faramir, isn't it? He doesn't make her feel bad about being a warrior. He praises her for it. Though Aragorn does the same, you still feel like he thinks it's not a woman's place to be a fighter - after all, he was with Arwen, and in the book she doesn't wield a sword at all, and she stayed with her people.

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Yes, that's true... Aragorn grew up with the elves, where the she-elves hardly ever even dared to touch a sword of other weapons, right? Or in Gondor, where women are not considered to weild weapons either. But in Rohan that is exactly the difference in some way, and Faramir gladly accepts this, knowing the true causes for Eowyn to fight as well.

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Yeah, I mean, Arwen embroidered Aragorn a standard with elven gems on it, didn't she - it shows exactly what she did with her time, and that she knew her place, sewing for the men. Eowyn is the exact oppisite of that. And Faramir knows the importance of being able to fight - he and Eowyn are so similar anyway.

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Yes, that's so true. Probably the heavy injury of Celebrian, Arwen's mother, by orcs when she was travelling across the Misty Mountains told Aragorn as well that women are not destined to defend and fight for themselves. It was just impossible for him to understand what was going on in Eowyn at that time.
It's different with Faramir, as he understands her and fully accepts her in this... 'habit'. Though I'm not entirely sure what makes the difference, well, why Faramir understands Eowyn's behaviour, and Aragorn doesn't. Because in Gondor, it is not usual for women to weild any weapons either.

I believe, if Faramir would have been in Aragorn's place at Dunharrow, he would have wanted to protect Eowyn as well, hinder her from riding with him or with the army to war. On the other hand, he doesn't seem to see the woman's place sewing and house working, as Aragorn does, that's the difference I mean, and which's cause I can't figure right now.

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I think Faramir just understands Eowyn, her behaviour and her habits simply because he loves her; they're meant to be together. And Faramir's different from Aragorn anyway; even though Faramir's from Gondor doesn't mean he fits in the stereotype of the usual Gondorian man - though Aragorn, a ranger spending most of his life away from his home country, is more Gondorian than Faramir in that way. If this isn't a total ramble!

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lol it isn't a total ramble, I hope my text above wasn't as well :P

I believe you're right there, probably I was thinking a little too complex. If I would've been in Faramir's situation in the Houses of Healing, her past, and her previous actions would not matter so much to me, whether I like them or not, but only the love and the future with Eowyn would count. He accepted it as a part of her.

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