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Larael
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 Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Grima Wormtongue
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I can't believe my previous threads on him got locked.  At any rate, I love this character to bits, and I believe he deserves to be discussed. How does Grima's allegiance change? Why would such a change take place? Where does his love for Eowyn stem from? To what extent does she know of this love? In fact, is it love at all? Just a few questions to get started. |
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Ellie
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I watched TTT:EE with my flatmate the other night (her first time, I think I converted her  ) and Grima is such an intriguing character, I wish he got more screen time, being one of my favourite characters in the trilogy.
I think his love for eowyn is partly a kind of envious love; she is free, where he is tied to Saruman. She kind of embodies what he desires more than just on a relationship level. And I think Grima kind of represents loss of faith, on a symbolic level. His accusations to eowyn of what she has 'whispered to the night' are more a confession on his own personal level, and his redemption is quite shakespearean.
Quite a deep character really |
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Bran the Blessed
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Grima Wormtongue
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| Maeve wrote: | | I can't believe my previous threads on him got locked. At any rate, I love this character to bits, and I believe he deserves to be discussed. How does Grima's allegiance change? Why would such a change take place? Where does his love for Eowyn stem from? To what extent does she know of this love? In fact, is it love at all? Just a few questions to get started. |
I think that Tolkien makes a similar character in Grima to that which he used for Maeglin son fo Aredhel. He falls in love with someone who does not reciprocate his love/ in any case cannot due to status or relation and is twisted by his desire to have what he cannot. He's obsessed, but rather than just accept he cannot, the intensity of emotion forces him to get her at any cost. Hence his allegiance changes to Saruman.Its a case of putting yourself in the place of a man who must have soemthing, regardless of the cost.
Yet he was not always such a person ,I think it was Theoden who said he was once a faithful servant of Rohan, and invited him to fetchhis own weapons and armour to prove his allegiance. Yet I think Grima recognised in himself no real ability for penance after years bound to Saruman (or had lost the typical Rohirric martial spirit after years of ruling by whispers in Theodens ear), and so was not willing to change again. He's an example of Tolkiens propensity towards intense emotions within his characters. As for whether it is love or not, well, its one of those things. If we go by a older kind of love; a willingness to go as far as is necessary to win the woman, well, praps, but I would veer to more obsession than love. Love would imply a purer emotion or motive to me, but hey, that is a place of perspectives. |
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