Hence, the reason why I dislike Lewis's writing.




But didn't Susan and Peter, themselves look into the wardrobe --- they tried to believe Lucy but all they saw was the back of the wardrobe? Was it because they still doubts about it while checking? Is that why?


Oh, nevermind, this would never get answered logically.



Are you serious? Narnia, meant to be taken lightly? Children are being sucked into Narnia, and spat back out in a fraction of a second of time and society thinks they're nut-cases and Narnia is to be taken lightly?!



Well, not direct bashing. Character description through other characters --- actually, C.S. Lewis bashed Susan in Voyage as well! "No one cared about Susan anymore" --- or something like that. I was bashing my head against the wall.




Okay, I so strongly believe [viewed from a non-religious person] that C.S. Lewis just spat out Susan as an example because she was the least developed character of the series. Because she simply is. He hasn't done anything major with her at all! Anything that could possibly come across as -good- anyhow. She's a logical person. She's there to fill in inquiry and to give him a chance to get the characters to explain everything [yet nothing at all] and personally, if someone is to be set as an example it'd be Jill Pole because of her background and her attitude.



Again, opinion.

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Well, it might have been because of their doubting. But it was just Aslan's timing -- he didn't want Susan and Peter to enter yet.


Of course it contains answers that are logical. Though, just a different logic than you are talking about.


Well, first, I'm just itching to point out that society doesn't think they're nut-cases, because the Pevensies didn't even tell their parents.

It is to be taken light-heartedly as it is a children's book! My point was that it was written for children just like Lucy Pevensie, who dream of walking through a wardrobe and meeting Aslan, and later, becoming Queen.


In my opinion, Susan is quite the contrary to your description! I think she is very developed.
Susan grows up as the oldest girl of the children. She acts as the mother, looking after her siblings. She kind, sweet, gentle, but extremely logical. Susan wants to believe Lucy is telling the truth about Narnia, but can see no logical evidence to point in that direction.
When she actually reaches Narnia, she's just a bit more careful than everyone else. She is crowned Queen Susan the Gentle, for her kind nature. She rules over Narnia with her siblings for many years.
When the Pevensies return to their own world, Susan begins to forget about what happened in Narnia. She begins to care more about looking pretty and having friends. She thinks of Narnia as only a silly game, not wanting to look foolish. She becomes her parent's favorite child. And then finally, she loses her belief in Aslan. Therefore, she is not welcome in his country.

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Erm, let it also be stated that if Susan were to believe in narnia again that odds are in her favor that Aslan would take her back. Look at Edmund.

You can't take Lewis' works from a non-religious/Christian point of view. If you do, then you might as well quit and walk away. Lewis was a Christian and all of his works are blantently Christian. To look at Narnia through non religious eyes... yes, the entire book is illogical. The entire series is illogical.

That's why you don't see logical answers Kitoky, you are not seeing it through the eyes of faith. You are seeing it as Susan saw it, through the eyes of logic. Well, what humans would like to call logic, but is really just Human reasoning. Professor Kirk used true logic. That's why he believed Lucy really did go through the wardrobe into a magical country.

You want everything to seem true or make sense right away. His world is a world based off of faith. Not everything in this life makes perfect human reasoning logical sense, nor should it. Some things must be taken by faith, others by true logic, and all things by God's plan. Same is true with Narnia.

There, that is why it is a Children's book. Becuase Children can take things by faith and trust that someone or something greater than themselves can take care of the details. The older humans get, the more they want logical reasons and explanations for things that do not have them. It's a shame that humans lose faith in old age.

That's why some yet think me a child.

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Lothril, that was amazingly stated. That is what I have been trying to get out. I have never seen it put out as well as you just did. So thank you.

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You're welcome.

I should only write when I'm sick. I usually do much better. LOL!

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LOL

I'm beginning to the think my nose isn't the only thing clogged up...

...math was rediculously hard today.



Whoa! Off topic here! *cough* Apologies.

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That's why I love narnia! No math homework! YAY!

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But her losing faith in Narnia was extremely subtle. And from other people's point of view. I mean, Aslan tells both Peter that they can't come back to Narnia. So for a logical person, if one cannot go back - then why believe that it exist? Or it's denial. Either way, Susan-angst is the best.


Thanks both Gwenneth and Lothril for putting up with my non-religious views. I shall try to see the book through believes.

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You are welcome.

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I don't look at the book through religion. I didn't even know about the religious stuff till I was a little older.

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That's kind of what I am getting at. Not religion, through faith. It's about faith, not catholic, baptist, anglican, presbyterian.

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yeah, I mean, little kids don't even know about this when they read LLW in 2nd grade. They're not supposed to have religious influences. I think it's about "faith" like Lothril says.

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Narnia is about faith, also it teaches childern lil lessons throughout the stories wether or not they notice them. It even can be lessons for older kids like us! But I do believe that Lewis was very a big christain. He got his storys from a dream or series of dreams. Even when he was lil he drew pictures of narnia and didnt know what it would become.- Got some of this info from a bio thingie.

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I think I read a bio about him. It's quite interesting to read the stories of those behind our favorite books. Their lives can be so normal, and yet, they're so "bigger than life" because of their lit.

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What's fun is when you read their bio and then you realize, "hey, I'm kinda like him!" Then you realy begin to wonder what your life will turn out like.

I like looking at pictures. Just to see his expressions. And listen to voice clips. It sort of helps you picture things from their point of view.

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