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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 4:46 pm |
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Quote: He hasn't "stolen" there research. He has took theories from a variety of sources and used them to create a plot for a book.
Yes but I would have expected a book this heavily influnced by others reasearch to at least list their sources. Lots of other fiction does particularly historical novels. At my university if I wrote an essay without giving my sources I would be in danger of being expelled. Quote: Hypothetically if the theories are exclusively theres. Then why not do this to some other random author who has written a fact or fiction book about the same thing? It makes no sense and is fueled by jealously and greed. Maybe the other authors have acknowloged where these theories come from. Anyway I think it makes perfect sense that the more money something makes the more angry you'd be if they had stolen their ideas. Look at fanfiction - there's hundreds of it on the internet and the majority of authors aren't bothered, some people even manage to make money from fan art and such like. However as soon as these people start becoming more popular and making more money the authors and their lawers would stamp down upon it. Quote: At the end of the day there theories are not exclusive to them, as many other people have written about it. So they cannot lay claim to anything.
If they researched the origional ideas and published them first then they can lay claim to the origional ideas just not any aditional writing/ research.
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 5:05 pm |
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Lots of other fiction might cite there sources, but not every single novelist/author does. If this case is succesful, then who's next?
I understand that in Academic terms you must cite your sources. Novels however don't necessarily fall into that category.
I have a book by a guy called Simon Cox. He basically breaks down the Da Vinci Code and shows that Dan Brown used more than one source for his research. Why aren't they clamouring to sue?
Is it because they understand that a theory will always be written and talked about endlessly.
It is still all about money at the end of the day. With the success of Dan Brown's books. How many people will then go back and look up other books, more research based?
I completely see where you're coming from. But I cannot shake the vibe I get that this is wrong.
The whole culture in this day and age of sue anyone that gets in my way, just completely baffles me.
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 5:27 pm |
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Quote: I completely see where you're coming from. But I cannot shake the vibe I get that this is wrong.
I am only saying they could have a case - not that they are right to sue. I can't tell that without having read their book and knowing how much of their work was origional and how much did turn up the the Da Vinci Code. I know when authors such as J.K Rowling gets sued (which has happened a few times and never succesfully) I do usually just say as you do that they're jealous and the similarity's coincidence. However with a book like the Da Vinci code it seems a bit different because it's based on reasearch which he has to have come across and yet has not acknolged. Quote: I have a book by a guy called Simon Cox. He basically breaks down the Da Vinci Code and shows that Dan Brown used more than one source for his research. Why aren't they clamouring to sue? Is it because they understand that a theory will always be written and talked about endlessly. Or because they don't have the money, time, inclination or so on. Quote: Lots of other fiction might cite there sources, but not every single novelist/author does. If this case is succesful, then who's next? I understand that in Academic terms you must cite your sources. Novels however don't necessarily fall into that category. I assume many very well known authors get sued at some point and I would hope that each case is decided on it's individual merits. The reason why I think Dan Brown should be citing his sources is because he is claiming that the ideas are fact. I think there's a difference between being influenced by other authors and using acedemic research in your work. Quote: It is still all about money at the end of the day. With the success of Dan Brown's books. How many people will then go back and look up other books, more research based?
Um.. I'm not sure what your point is in your second sentence. I would imagine lots of people would look up these kind of books judging from the success of the 300 different behind the Da Vinci code books I seem to see when ever I go into a book shop.
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 8:14 pm |
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i am disapointed about the casting in the movie. Why get a well known celebratie to play langdon. That just killed it. I hate how the more popular celebs try and get all the attention for themselves at the premieres and stuff, but i am still looking forward to seeing it.
I am almost done with the book. Robert, sophie, teabing, remy and silas are on their way to london!
one of the reasons it took so long for me was school and the other was it was a borrowed book, and i ddnt want to reck it
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 10:27 pm |
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How long is the book? I'm really interested in it because the movie looks interesting.
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 11:15 pm |
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Kitoky wrote: How long is the book? I'm really interested in it because the movie looks interesting.
The book isn't that long.. 400 pages at most I would say. Truth be told the movie spiked my interest in the book again, so I finally read it.
And yeah I love the book, Dan Brown is an amazing author. Another great book with Robert Langdon is Angels and Demons.
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 11:19 pm |
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Tanthoronial wrote: Kitoky wrote: How long is the book? I'm really interested in it because the movie looks interesting. The book isn't that long.. 400 pages at most I would say. Truth be told the movie spiked my interest in the book again, so I finally read it. And yeah I love the book, Dan Brown is an amazing author. Another great book with Robert Langdon is Angels and Demons.
400 pages don't seem much! Is it small print?
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 11:27 pm |
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Nah its normal, so like 12-14ish most likely, depending on the version. Like I had a hardcover version so it was larger than a paperback's might be..here wait I'll look on Amazon..
Amazon Says: (like simon, hah)
454 pages for hardcover for normal print,
752 pages for hardcover large print
Amazon rule 
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Post subject: Posted: February 27th, 2006, 11:59 pm |
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Wow, Amazon's handy! I'll add the DaVinci Code to my book list. Thanks for the info Tanth! ^^
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Post subject: Posted: February 28th, 2006, 5:22 pm |
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i borrowed the illustrated edition from my friend and it has pictures of what they talk about right next to the text that refers to it-i love that part about the book. That is about 450 pages and it's normal font. I would suggest the illustrated edition
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Post subject: Posted: February 28th, 2006, 10:16 pm |
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I look for this book everyday in the library, but it's always out!  But I did hear some girls talking about in in my Chemistry class and it really sounds interesting.  I can't wait to get my hands on it! Though I'm a bit skeptical since I am a believer in God... But I haven't read yet, so can't make any solid remarks.  Obviously.
Quote: and not pull an "Ella Enchanted" and totally get it wrong...
LOL! They totally screwed that up! That movie was a joke. 
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Post subject: Posted: February 28th, 2006, 11:46 pm |
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Arien Elensar wrote: I look for this book everyday in the library, but it's always out!  But I did hear some girls talking about in in my Chemistry class and it really sounds interesting.  I can't wait to get my hands on it! Though I'm a bit skeptical since I am a believer in God... But I haven't read yet, so can't make any solid remarks.  Obviously. Quote: and not pull an "Ella Enchanted" and totally get it wrong... LOL! They totally screwed that up! That movie was a joke. 
Omg Ella Enchanted was one of the worst book to movies ever done.. it was extremely inaccurate!
I know what you mean too, my Mom read it as a book club thing through Church, and I read it a while after she did, and she wanted me to read another book that discussed the Religious references made by Dan Brown. I still love the book. And of course, Robert Langdon!! 
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Post subject: Posted: March 1st, 2006, 9:24 pm |
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Seriously. Where did the little elf guy come from?! lol!
Yeah, I still haven't got it.  Someone is really enjoying that book.
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Post subject: Posted: March 3rd, 2006, 9:18 am |
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Arien Elensar wrote: I look for this book everyday in the library, but it's always out!  But I did hear some girls talking about in in my Chemistry class and it really sounds interesting.  I can't wait to get my hands on it! Though I'm a bit skeptical since I am a believer in God... But I haven't read yet, so can't make any solid remarks.  Obviously.
The book isn't about whether God exists or not, it's more about the Vatikan altered the story of Jesus a little bit and made him Godly. The book talks about that Jesus was in fact only a human prophet and that the Holy Grail is not what most people think it is, and clues to all of this can be found in the works of Leonardo Da Vinci especially in his famous painting of the Last Supper. It's an extremely interesting view point. I suggest you read it first and then form your opinions on it. Nobody ever said you have to believe what's in the book, heck you can just read it as a work of fiction (and not as a work of fiction based on facts/theories) - it's all up to you. But I really, really recommend you reading it regardless of your religion!
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Post subject: Posted: March 4th, 2006, 2:27 am |
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ErulissëEnethNîn wrote: Arien Elensar wrote: I look for this book everyday in the library, but it's always out!  But I did hear some girls talking about in in my Chemistry class and it really sounds interesting.  I can't wait to get my hands on it! Though I'm a bit skeptical since I am a believer in God... But I haven't read yet, so can't make any solid remarks.  Obviously. The book isn't about whether God exists or not, it's more about the Vatikan altered the story of Jesus a little bit and made him Godly. The book talks about that Jesus was in fact only a human prophet and that the Holy Grail is not what most people think it is, and clues to all of this can be found in the works of Leonardo Da Vinci especially in his famous painting of the Last Supper. It's an extremely interesting view point. I suggest you read it first and then form your opinions on it. Nobody ever said you have to believe what's in the book, heck you can just read it as a work of fiction (and not as a work of fiction based on facts/theories) - it's all up to you. But I really, really recommend you reading it regardless of your religion!
Yeah. You're totally right. It's not about whether or not God exists or what-not. That'd be weird if it did, considering Mr. Brown's religion.  Ha ha ha. Yeah, it's more about the church and they're many . . . mischievious ways. Ha ha ha. Personally they anger me beyond belief, but I won't get into that. If you ignored all the controversy surrounding it and read it as you would read any other book of fiction, I think you'd enjoy it.
Oh, and I really want to get the Illustrated Edition! I've read through it, and it helps so much! Especially if you have no idea what he's talking about and/or where he is considering you've never been there.  I'm so jealous of my cousin who, with a "book club" at her highschool got to go on the "Dan Brown Tour Of Europe." They read all of his books and a couple other things and went to places in his books Angels and Demons and The DaVinci Code. Grrr...I'm SO jealous. Ha ha ha.
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Post subject: Posted: March 4th, 2006, 6:35 am |
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MontanaBohemian wrote: Yeah. You're totally right. It's not about whether or not God exists or what-not. That'd be weird if it did, considering Mr. Brown's religion.  Ha ha ha. Yeah, it's more about the church and they're many . . . mischievious ways. Ha ha ha. Personally they anger me beyond belief, but I won't get into that. If you ignored all the controversy surrounding it and read it as you would read any other book of fiction, I think you'd enjoy it. Oh, and I really want to get the Illustrated Edition! I've read through it, and it helps so much! Especially if you have no idea what he's talking about and/or where he is considering you've never been there.  I'm so jealous of my cousin who, with a "book club" at her highschool got to go on the "Dan Brown Tour Of Europe." They read all of his books and a couple other things and went to places in his books Angels and Demons and The DaVinci Code. Grrr...I'm SO jealous. Ha ha ha.
Yeah the Illustrated Edition seems so cool! I alreeady bought a very nice hardcover edition so I doubt I'll go buy another one hehe.
The only place I've been to in The Da Vinci Code would be The Louvre. Truly an amazing place! And yes I've seen the real Mona Lisa  I've been outside of Westminster Abbey but I couldn't go in at the time because of something going on in there.
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