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PostPosted: February 19th, 2009, 8:48 pm 
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WOOT! 'Tis that time of the year. The time for cringe-making speeches and delightful and disasterous dresses!

And for once a host who is talented and looks nice: Hugh Jackman! Huzzah!

Like the past three years though, I won't be able to watch it. :disgust: They're shown on a channel we don't have, so my brother will be watching them live on the computer so I'll be shuffled off somewhere. Hopefully, he can find it in full sometime so I can see it. I need to see the all-singing-all-dancing Mr. Jackman! :-o



Best Motion Picture of the Year

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    Frost/Nixon
    Milk
    The Reader
    Slumdog Millionaire


Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role

    Richard Jenkins for The Visitor
    Frank Langella for Frost/Nixon
    Sean Penn for Milk
    Brad Pitt for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    Mickey Rourke for The Wrestler



Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role

    Anne Hathaway for Rachel Getting Married
    Angelina Jolie for Changeling
    Melissa Leo for Frozen River
    Meryl Streep for Doubt
    Kate Winslet for The Reader



Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role

    Josh Brolin for Milk
    Robert Downey Jr. for Tropic Thunder
    Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doubt
    Heath Ledger for The Dark Knight
    Michael Shannon for Revolutionary Road


Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role

    Amy Adams for Doubt
    Penélope Cruz for Vicky Cristina Barcelona
    Viola Davis for Doubt
    Taraji P. Henson for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    Marisa Tomei for The Wrestler


Best Achievement in Directing

    Danny Boyle for Slumdog Millionaire
    Stephen Daldry for The Reader
    David Fincher for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    Ron Howard for Frost/Nixon
    Gus Van Sant for Milk


Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen

    Frozen River: Courtney Hunt
    Happy-Go-Lucky: Mike Leigh
    In Bruges: Martin McDonagh
    Milk: Dustin Lance Black
    WALL·E: Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter, Jim Reardon


Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: Eric Roth, Robin Swicord
    Doubt: John Patrick Shanley
    Frost/Nixon: Peter Morgan
    The Reader: David Hare
    Slumdog Millionaire: Simon Beaufoy


Best Achievement in Cinematography

    Changeling
    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    The Reader
    Slumdog Millionaire


Best Achievement in Editing

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    Frost/Nixon
    Milk
    Slumdog Millionaire


Best Achievement in Art Direction

    Changeling
    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    The Duchess
    Revolutionary Road



Best Achievement in Costume Design

    Australia
    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Duchess
    Milk
    Revolutionary Road



Best Achievement in Makeup

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    Hellboy II: The Golden Army


Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Score

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button: Alexandre Desplat
    Defiance: James Newton Howard
    Milk: Danny Elfman
    Slumdog Millionaire: A.R. Rahman
    WALL·E : Thomas Newman

Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Song

    Slumdog Millionaire: A.R. Rahman, Sampooran Singh Gulzar ("Jai Ho")
    Slumdog Millionaire: A.R. Rahman, Maya Arulpragasam ("O Saya")
    WALL·E: Peter Gabriel, Thomas Newman ("Down to Earth")


Best Achievement in Sound

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    Slumdog Millionaire
    WALL·E
    Wanted


Best Achievement in Sound Editing

    The Dark Knight
    Iron Man
    Slumdog Millionaire
    WALL·E
    Wanted


Best Achievement in Visual Effects

    The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
    The Dark Knight
    Iron Man


Best Animated Feature Film of the Year

    Bolt
    Kung Fu Panda
    WALL·E


Best Foreign Language Film of the Year

    Der Baader Meinhof Komplex (Germany)
    Entre les murs (France)
    Revanche (Austria)
    Okuribito (Japan)
    Vals Im Bashir (Israel)


Best Documentary, Features

    The Betrayal - Nerakhoon
    Encounters at the End of the World
    The Garden
    Man on Wire
    Trouble the Water


Best Documentary, Short Subjects

    The Conscience of Nhem En
    The Final Inch
    Smile Pinki
    The Witness from the Balcony of Room 306


Best Short Film, Animated

    Maison en petits cubes, La
    Ubornaya istoriya - lyubovnaya istoriya
    Oktapodi
    Presto
    This Way Up


Best Short Film, Live Action

    Auf der Strecke
    Manon sur le bitume
    New Boy
    Grisen
    Spielzeugland



I really would like Heath Ledger and Kate Winslet to win their respective acting awards. I would also like Wall-e to win best animated and Presto to win Best Short Animation. I would also be very happy for The Dark Knight to win as many of the technical awards as it can, seen as how it should have been up for a Best Picture nomination anyway.

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The only film on that list I've seen is the Duchess and that wasn't really that good... but costume-wise it was :lol:

I want Slumdog Millionaire to win all of its nominations.... purely because it's Anwar!!! (massive Skins fan here :p I love Dev Patel :D )


A.R. Rahman has to win the music awards. Not because it's Slumdog Millionaire but because he composed the Lord of the Rings the Musical! :D

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LOL! Well I have only seen... er... Wall-e... Presto.. Kung-Fu Panda... Hellboy II and The Dark Knight. Hardly what some would call "critically acclaimed" films... but I liked them. :P

Personally I want Slumdog Millionaire to win as many as it can (although The Dark Knight should win the technical stuff) because it's British. So I'm biased. But the Academy have often failed to recognise our talent so I'm chuffed a British film is dominating the award shows. :-)

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I really hope Kate wins her Oscar. It's about time, and this has been her year to shine.

Heath Ledger. Oh, Heath. All the posthumous awards are [s]really[/s] kind of annoying. I get that he did a good job with a very emotionally taxing role, etc, but... it's Batman. And to be frank, the other actors in the category he's been nominated for in the Oscars running and the other awards shows did a better job.

It's just aggravating. Sorry if I upset anybody with that opinion.

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Opinions are good. The world would be boring if we all agreed. :yes:

I can understand what you are saying.... but I do sense with some people (not meaning you ;)) that if Heath Ledger was alive, people would have no problem with him winning really. It would be "aw, I was hoping so-and-so would win. Nevermind" but because he is dead, they feel he is getting it because he's not here and it's the sympathy vote (which the Academy has played along with in the past).

And to be honest, I think if an actor is good in the role he is given, it doesn't matter if the film is a superhero film or a comedy or an action film. Look at Johnny Depp in POTC. Never did I think I would see an actor being nominated for that kind of performance - not because he was bad but because that's the sort of thing that gets overlooked because of the type of film it is. POTC may have been a commercial and critical success but awards wise? No. :no: Not the kind of Academy film.

I think the role of the Joker is the same thing. It may be the role of a villain in a film based on a comic book... but he was amazing in that film based on a comic book. And I can't say say about the other nominees because I haven't seen them. My brother has, and I usually listen to him, and he also thinks he was pretty award worthy as well. But it's just people's opinions.

But my thinking is, if an actor is good in a role, good enough to win awards and be nominated, he shouldn't forfeit that because he's no longer alive. Which sadly, some people elsewhere are saying. :confused:

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I love Heath Ledger, and I think he was a great actor, but yeah, I can't help but feel he's getting the sympathy vote. I think a nice tribute is a good idea, especially for an actor/actress that has died that made a movie that might be deemed Oscar-worthy that year (or any award really), but yeah, skipping over more worthy actors isn't really fair.

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I don't think it is a sympathy vote, I think he truly deserves the nod and the win... his portrayal as the Joker is nothing short of spectacular, if you really look deep into how he played the Joker, and even the changing of the voice and the little tongue thing... he truly became this man who wants nothing but chaos and to watch the world burn... I read an article with Gary Oldman and he said how much he admired what Heath did with the Joker and that it would be obvious what an achievement it was to play the part, which I think should be honored with an Oscar

THE OSCARS!!!!

Oh how I love thee... this is the culmination of my passions right here, since I am obsessed with movies this is like my special night as well when I get to see all the movies I love and the actors I adore in one place at one time, not to mention Hugh is the host... yay!!! I can't wait to see his singing and what not...

I'll be watching it on Sunday curled up on my bed with enough space around me so I don't knock things down as I cheer and boo... yes I get into these award shows like sports fans get into the Superbowl... :drunk:

Here is my List of who I'd like to win... we'll see how well I do =)

Best Motion Picture of the Year

Slumdog Millionaire


Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role

Sean Penn for Milk

Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role

Kate Winslet for The Reader

Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role

Heath Ledger for The Dark Knight


Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role

Amy Adams for Doubt

Best Achievement in Directing

Danny Boyle for Slumdog Millionaire


Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen

In Bruges: Martin McDonagh

Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published

Slumdog Millionaire: Simon Beaufoy

Best Achievement in Cinematography

The Dark Knight

Best Achievement in Editing

Slumdog Millionaire

Best Achievement in Art Direction

The Duchess

Best Achievement in Costume Design

The Duchess


Best Achievement in Makeup

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button



Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Score

Defiance: James Newton Howard


Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Song

WALL·E: Peter Gabriel, Thomas Newman ("Down to Earth")


Best Achievement in Sound

The Dark Knight

Best Achievement in Sound Editing

Iron Man

Best Achievement in Visual Effects

Iron Man


Best Animated Feature Film of the Year

WALL·E


Best Foreign Language Film of the Year

Der Baader Meinhof Komplex (Germany)


Best Documentary, Features

Encounters at the End of the World


Best Documentary, Short Subjects

The Witness from the Balcony of Room 306


Best Short Film, Animated

Presto


Best Short Film, Live Action

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I don't think it's a case of skipping over more worthy actors - don't we have that problem every year though, when our own personal favourite may not win? - but as I said before, it would be wrong to overlook a performance that is award-worthy because the actor is dead. If people genuinely believe that Heath Ledger's peformance is not as good as the others... then Ok, all is well. It's when people say he shouldn't get it because he is dead, is what annoys me. A performance doesn't get better or worse because the performer is no longer breathing. ;)

^ I have to agree. Admittedly when he had been dead an hour, and people were saying he deserved the Oscar before anyone had seen the film I was like... "eh????". And even before I went to see The Dark Knight I was sceptical at how good he was going to be - I knew he would be good, but Oscar worthy?! Well I was wrong. And my judgement on his performance had nothing to do with him being dead and my heart was going "aawwww" and making his performance seemingly better by being sad he was no longer around.

He was just amazing. He made the Joker more than just a boo-hiss villain. His walk, his speech, his mouth movements.... the little things, like the way he tilts his head and squints at the old guy like he's searching for something before he says "you remind me of my father". I would give him an Oscar for those 5 seconds of detail.

I love the Oscars as well... they screw up a lot *COUGHLOTRTTTCOUGH* and they are essentially snobs... and people can't read the autocues... and some of the dresses need flushing down the toilet... and most of the presenters are not funny. But what they hey... you can't have everything. :D :lol:

Wow, that is a precise list. I couldn't do that as I haven't seen that many films. My list would be heavily biased I'm afraid towards what's sounds the best or who I liked on other films. XD

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I haven't decided if I'm watching this year or not. Though Hugh Jackman is presenting I believe, so that could presuade me.
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The only Oscar I really truly care about is Best Actor. If Mickey Rourke doesn't win...well I'll...I'll throw a massive hissy fit.

I don't want to say too much about the Heath stuff, other than I'm sort of in teh same boat as Eäryendë.
Yes he portrayed the Joker wonderfully, best portrayal since Mark Hamill's VA in the animated series'. Oscar worthy? That's subjective.
However...the question is always there. If not for his untimely and tragic passing. Would Heath really be even getting nominated?
I honestly don't think so. Mainly because of the snobbery of the Oscars and Awards like this in general.
Comic book movies just do not garner this much attention and I'll be surprised if they do again.
Again, I'm certainly not taking away from Heath's awesome performance.

If I had my way, there'd be no elitism in the Oscars and comic book (and other genre movies like this) would be treated as equally as other movies.

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I see what you mean Phoenix... but did anyone honestly watch Jack Sparrow and think the Academy would honour that performance with a nomination? Could it be because a) Johnny was awesome and b) worldwide, critics and audiences alike thought he was amazing? So the Academy not only thought "hey, this guy is pretty good" but "hey, everyone likes him so maybe we should show we're not as snobby as everyone thinks".

I think Heath Ledger is like Johnny Depp in that respect.

I also think every now and then the Academy surprise us by actually honouring a performance that is universally popular and not just an elitist role.

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But Johnny didn't win it.
Heath has won every Best Supporting Actor nom he's been in (to the best of my knowledge anyway).
Like I say, I have no issue with his performance. It really was fantastic, but I do believe that had he been alive he'd, at the very least, not have won anything other than People's Choice like awards voted by Joe Public.
...which could be argued are far, far more important than the Oscars and the BAFTAs ect.

This all being said, if he wins I will be genuinely pleased. More so because it's a defiant middle finger to all the snobs who think Comic Book movies are worthless.



P.S. Mickey Rourke FTW!! :P

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No, that is true. But he should have done. :p

Maybe Heath won't win the Oscar at all. But to be honest, I really do feel that even if he was alive, his performance would still be standing out from the rest of them.

LOL! I want him to win as well... he likes his dogs and comeback stories are always nice. :happy:

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Well, I'm always excited for the Oscars. Hopefully Wall E wins most of it's nominations, especially the song category, "Down to Earth" is an amazing song. For sound I'd have to say Wall E, and for sound editing, Iron Man, simply because the sounds alone are such a huge part of him and his suit. And same with the visual effects, hands down for Iron Man. Plus I'm biased. And Wall E for best animated film, Bolt was horrible (Miley Cyrus, really?) and I didn't enjoy Kung Fu Panda as much as Wall E.

As for the Heath debate, I found that yes, his role as the Joker was creepy, but perhaps it's just me, but I didn't find that he scared me. Every time he pulled a stunt, I yawned and waited for the next Christian Bale scene. It wasn't that he was bad in the role, but merely not good enough for my standards. I didn't see the movie until August, and after hearing all the hype about how "freaking fantastic" he was in the role, he just didn't measure up. I haven't seen any of the other nominated movies, but I'm sure that there is at least one actor there that deserves it, just as much, and probably more than Heath does.

And it really does bother me that people were saying that he deserved all of these awards, as soon as he had died. It was a tragedy, but I think that many people are letting it cloud their judgements as to who these awards are going to. Yes, it's nice to give him awards in his memory or whatever, but if there is a more deserving candidate on the list, then it should go to that person.

And don't get me wrong, I enjoyed his acting career as a whole, and I thought that Dark Knight was a great example of his versatility, but I still think that the people that are giving out these awards need to put things in perspective and thing about who these awards are going to, and why.


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Well I have to question the brain cell count of ANY person who says of ANY actor before the film is available to watch "oh, man he so totally needs to win". Whether said actor is alive or dead. It's just a stupid conclusion to come to. The same with deciding what film is going to be a stronf contender for the best picture, while the script is still being written. But sadly, dumb people exist.

But those people are not the ones in charge of deciding who wins what. And I think, in all honesty, I would expect maybe perhaps one or two awards to maybe say "aww, he was so good in that, we'll give it to them because he was good and the fact he isn't around". I'm not denying that someone somewhere hasn't done that.

But it does irk me a great deal that Heath Ledger + being dead + winning awards = sympathy vote and he wasn't as good as the rest. Because every year we can have an actor/actress sweeping the award shows and someone on the planet must be thinking "OMG, he/she so totally doesn't deserve this".

All I'm saying is... I personally watched The Dark Knight and thought he was brilliant in it. Like in most years, I haven't seen all the nominees so I go for the person I have seen. I watched TDK with an open mind to that one performance. I didn't take into account his other roles or films, or the fact he'll never see his success. I would like to think, the majority of the voters would also be like me and judge fairly.

But I do sort of hope that Heath doesn't win the Oscar. Because I can see him in 20 years time as being known as the "guy who won stuff because he was dead". Which would be wrong really.


Anyway..... I really hope that Hugh Jackman goes down well with everyone. It will be nice to go back to the old days, when actors who had charisma hosted the ceremony, rather than "comedians". I mean, I know Bob Hope did it for years on and off, but they really had some great hosts years ago. :D

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Ooo! When is the Oscars anyway? :erm:


I just hope WALL-E wins best annimated picture. I mean, I, personally, think that it should have been up for best pic as well... but that's just me. ;)

And, I really haven't seen a ton of the other movies. I hope TDK wins for what it's nominated, and same with WALL-E. Oh, and I like Amy Adams... not that I saw Doubt... :whistle: And Iron Man... And yeah...

I won't watch the whole Awards, though. Personally, I think it's kind of over rated and boring. ;) But, taping it and fast forwarding to parts is fun... :teehee:


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The 22nd I believe.

Back to Heath ( so much for not discussing it much heh).
I don't think it's a sympathy vote in the sense of just giving it to him because he's not good enough but give it to him anyways because he's dead.

My bug is simply comic book movies are overlooked in the acting and directing departments and it just feels like because Heath tragically passed, this wouldn't be happening. I mean...I think his performance as Joker was wonderful and brought the comic book to life.
But I also felt that about RDJ as Tony Stark, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, Ian McKellen as Magneto, Thomas Hayden Church as Sandman, JK Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson, Mickey Rourke as Marv (Sin City). I could go on and on and on about actors who have brought a 2D character to life and did it flawlessly....but I'll leave it at that.

I'm a die hard comic book fan and I'm honestly torn about Heath's nominations. On one I feel he deserves it but no more than anyone I've listed above. On the other....I do hope it's step in the right direction in removing the award winning snobbery that surrounds comic book films. I am however cynical about that ever happening, the Academy at least most likely won't. This is a true one off situation.

On a lighter note....Hugh Jackman in a suit? Raaaaarrrrrrrrrrr

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