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Ahahaha, it's actually quite funny how true that is! Well, plus, there's the whole Daleks killing her thing to look over.


And may I mention how much I loved the shout-out to the Doctor in Day Five? That was pretty good.

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Christ I haven't posted here in AGES.

XD

COE? Epic. Pretty much sums it up, right? Absolutely devastating, but frakking epic.

Ali, that picture ... WIN. There'll be some serious 'splainin to do in San Diego for ComiCon. (Which I wish I could go to because I mean, COMICON!)

Oh RTD, how you ruin our lives.

Anyway, enjoyed this series and how awesome mah PC Andy was. NOM. Ha ha ha!!

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I'm so devastated. All of my friends have been saving up so we could take a roadtrip down, and then I find out that I'm in Puerto Rico when Comicon is going. And two of the others got grounded. SO none of us are going. DEVASTATED big time.


I was really looking forward to going, too. Especially to see RTD and Tennant.

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Oh god. Oh dear sweet jesus. I'm reeling. Like, crying and nauseous and I have no kleenex and ugh. Please punch me in the gut again, okay?

I don't even know what to say, really. Though I could start with

WHAT THE HELL?

And continue with

WHAT THE HELL?

I don't know if I can be coherent enough to write what I'm thinking.

Yes, the scene was simply amazing, and beautiful and... was as good as something that terrible can get. But I'm devastated and freaking pissed and have no urge to watch Day Five. Not only am I outraged by the death of my favorite television character, but I could give you about a dozen reasons why the series of plot holes that lead up to it just leave a bad taste in my mouth, no matter how excellent that actual execution. Also, the fact that every main Torchwood character who's not either Gwen or immortal can be used as cannon fodder is absolutely ridiculous.

Apparently Season 4 is already in the works, but no way in hell am I watching the Jack and Gwen show. No no no no no. I could handle the deaths of Tosh and Owen, but this is too much for me to get past. I really watched Torchwood for GDL's excellent portrayal of Ianto, and the development of his character and of his relationship with Jack was by far the most interesting parts of the series for me. So to kill off such a promising character just when he's coming to fruition simply pisses me off.

Plus, if there's a Season 4 and Jack is even able to FUNCTION immediately post-Ianto, it would be a huge betrayal to the depth of their relationship (as seen in the radio plays and CoE).

My heart and my head hurt.

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Aww, thanks.

I watched it, even though it's kept me up until 6 AM now. Allow me to quote another unhappy fan:

I have to agree with this. What they put him though in these last two episodes was simply sadistic, and I'm not really sure why they felt they needed to break him.

Overall, I guess I'm a bag of mixed feelings about this. Plot holes and character deaths aside, it was an excellent five hours of television, some of the best I've seen in a while. I just wish it hadn't been Torchwood (my favorite series) that they so thoroughly gutted. I'm left with such a bad taste in my mouth because now my most loved character is needlessly dead (see previous post), Jack has been destroyed, and there's really no way to continue the series without it sucking or requiring some huge sci-fi alternate reality cop out to restore a few cast members.

While I would have loved to have seen many more seasons with even just Gwen, Jack and Ianto, at this point I'm hoping they let it die.

Ugh. I don't think I've ever been this overall disappointed by a series, short of ones that get cancelled mid-season.


And did anyone else realize that they apparently killed Gray off too?

That was one the things with which I was the most upset. I hated every inch of Gray, don't get me wrong. But they set up all this foreshadowing, blah blah blah, and it doesn't even come to any sort of fruition.
Plus, I mean, Jack shows all sort of passion for his brother that just buried him alive for umpteen years, but the second they need a child...

Another set of foreshadowing ignored was the obvious Jack/Gwen relationship. I mean, huge Janto shipper, but every second of their screen time together was filled with sexual tension. Where did it go all of sudden? It certainly didn't just dissipate. I call shenanigans.

And to be honest with you, I could care less about Jack leaving. I think it was much needed. Ultimately, I would have watched the show with just Gwen and Ianto. But of course not. Way to kill off a show way before it's prime, RTD.

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@timx4 rant (both of them, actually): Word.

I was so devastated when Ianto died. I cried like a baby. But why did they feel the need to kill him off? With all the terror that was going on already, I think they could have done with out killing Ianto, especially since in the previous season finale TWO main characters were killed off/rekilled off.

This is one of the most disturbing seasons of any show I've ever seen. There were times I felt ill watching it. But despite that, (or maybe even because of it) I couldn't stop watching. It drew me in and I was just so entrapped. I think that in a lot of shows, you always see humans as choosing the right path, fighting for the force of good. But humans aren't all good, we do have dark sides. I enjoyed that Torchwood fully reveled in the eviler sided of human nature.

And Ianto!! Arrrgh. Its for the cheap tears. They're just flailing about, trying to get a reaction out of the audience.

Bad RTD. Bad, bad, bad, RTD.

Ianto dying was just to make the audience cry, RTD actually said so in an interview.



The BBC keeps trying to write it off as "the audience needs to see that working for Torchwood is dangerous," but seriously, we got that from Owen and Tosh, we didn't need Ianto to go too.



And I'm pretty sure they're going to be making a 4th season. Everyone wants to, RTD says he has a plan for it, and the viewing figures were certainly high enough that the BBC would be stupid not to let them make another season.

But really, unless they somehow manage to bring Ianto back (in a way that makes sense), I'm not watching. Gwenwood = no.

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I must have a heart of stone or something, because as sad as Ianto dying was I absolutely do NOT want him to be brought back. All it'll serve to do is cheapen his death.

Characters being written out to cause upset happens all the time, I've lost count of how many shows I've watched over the years and watched some of my favourite characters get bumped off. It's upsetting but if you love the show you carry on.

I'll keep watching Torchwood because I'm loyal to the show, not any one character. If it stops being entertaining to me, that'll be the day I quit. Each to there own.
*shrug*

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Oh, I defnitely understand what you're saying, and each to their own. But I thought Ianto's death was actually... a bit cheap as it was. They rushed in there, no plans whatsoever, and waved their guns around, and then Ianto died.

And it wasn't really necessary to the plot. Would Jack still have killed Steven if Ianto was alive? Yes, probably, because he did it before with Jasmine and the fairies. Would Jack have left at the end (possibly to find the Doctor) if Ianto was still there? Yes, probably, if he needed/wanted to he would, because he's done it before.

Then, if Jack does come back for a fourth season, and Ianto's not there, that's (in my mind) the worst possible thing that could happen. He left because he had no reason to stay, so why would he come back when there's nothing to come back to?

That's why I want Ianto to come back, because if he does then it's reasonable that Jack would come back.

There is absolutely no way I would watch Gwenwood. RTD may think she's the best thing since sliced bread, but I don't, and I refuse to watch a show about her fighting aliens on her own and going home to Rhys and her baby. (And this isn't coming from a Gwen-hater, because I did actually grow to like her in CoE. I do like her now, but she's by no means my favorite, much less the reason I watch(ed) Torchwood.)

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^Amen, every word.

I have to agree with you. What's the point of Torchwood now? I have never seen a TV show kill off so much of their cast in so short a time. I think it was a very bad move. I didn't like that Owen and Tosh died, but I was able to understand it, at least a little bit. But killing off another main character just five episodes after you killed off forty percent of the main cast? That's just stupid. There's no structure left, nothing to come back to that feels normal.

The forth season may still be called Torchwood, but I don't think it will be the same.

I actually heard that the reason that they did all this ridiculousness is because John Barrowman is taking time off to spend with his husband. Can someone confirm/deny this for me?


But yeah. Ianto, dead. I'm furious. Enough said.

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I don't think that's true. RTD actually said in an interview that the reason Ianto died was to make a dramatic and emotional show.



Seriously, though, it would've still been plenty dramatic and emotional without Ianto dying.



And then part of me thinks it's because RTD is upset that people like Ianto more than Gwen...

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Honestly, Torchwood was always the Jack and Gwen show...always. RTD pretty much created Gwen with Eve Myles in mind. Wether we like it or not, Owen, Tosh and Ianto were minor players in the show. Those three were always going to be more expendable.

I'm neither condoning nor admonishing Russell for his choices for the show. I haven't always agreed with things he's done, but it's his show and he can run it how he sees fit. I'll give the next season a watch, because I love the show that much. I'm willing to give the show a chance. If y'all choose to abandon it then...sorry. I don't know what else to say.

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