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Oh yeah if it all ends up being somebody's dream or in somebody's head then I will personally hunt down the Lost writers and slowly torture and kill each and every one of them. There are still so many old questions we haven't gotten answers too. It feels like they're just jumping ahead and messing even more with our heads and I'm not so sure I like that. It almost feels like they don't quite know where to go from here and are sort of just buying themselves some time.

At least we got to see a bit more of the smoke monster. That's always a start. The main questions I still want answered though are:

The comic book. Whatever happened to it and what exactly does it say? I've had a feeling since we first saw the comic book that it has their whole story written out in it. The polar bear was in there.

Libby. Who was she exactly? Why was she in so many different places before she came to the Island (with different names and looks) and why was she in that mental institution with Hurley?

I don't think we'll ever get answers to these questions though

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Yeah, there are so many questions, that I can't even remember them all. Showing Libby connected to two people's characters and then not giving us a flashback (which is very, very strange), makes me think no matter who you are, or what storylines they had ready for you. Get arrested in Hawaii and you're a dead duck.

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ErulisseEnethNin, I will third the motion for getting both of those questions answered! Especialy the Libby one. I just watched the episode where she showed up at the mental institution two days ago and I want to know right Now why she was there...other wise I might end up on the mental institution too. :lol:

JF, Thanks for the pictures. :-D The one of Michael ten years ago...he actualy looked better there. :-D He still didn't make my heart skip a bit but hey. (shrugs) As for the other pictures...uh...very scary. :blink:
Oh the bunny! " Hippity hoppity come on. lets go..." lol I love that line! (huggles line)
Oh why of why did Cynthia have to get arrested?! Couldn't she just follow the rules. (sighs) I wanted them to finsh her storyline and keep her around for awhile. (pouts)

I am glad to see that we are in agreement about the whole no wanting it to be in somdebody's head thing. :-D

Um if you don't mind my asking where else did Libby show up at? (I mean beside the mental institution.)

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I can't remember with whom but there were definitely two other places. One where she was dark haired I'm pretty sure.

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@ DD - Your welcome. Yes, I think so to, but he was probably about 41 then so....I don't think he's done too badly with age. He looks younger than 41 in that picture. Yeeees...they are pretty frightening aren't they? Locke's was funny as he looked pretty much the same. :lol:

@ DD & Eru - Not only did we see Libby in the mental institute with Hurley (blonde hair) but she was also the woman who gave Desmond the yacht (dark hair different name).

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ErulisseEnethNin, Yeah, the dark hair sounds right. Well, thanks for the help. :-D

JF, Ah so the other connection was with Desmond. Thank you for the information. :-D I can't beleive that I didn't know that. (sighs) Oh, well I know it now. (laughs)

Okay now I read this on Wikipedia so you might want to take it with a grain of salt so to speak but according to Wikipedia ABC renewed Lost on March like the 21st for a season 4 and that it would air more like 24 (from January through May). :-D I don't know if all of you knew that allready or not. So I thought that I would go ahead and post it.

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Well I knew that another series had been given the go-ahead, and yep March would be about right. I didn't know about the intended airing date, but if it is to be believed, that is a far better scheduling than this series. Thanks for the information. :-)

Ok, well I have just seen the Hurley and Sayid flashback epsiodes. One at a time....*ahem*

OMG that was a freakin' awesome epsiode!!!!!!! :kick:

Sorry...I went all un-English on you there. :P

I loved, loved, loved LOVED Hurley's episode. It was the best I have seen in this series so far (I know, even better then the Ben episodes...bet you're all fainting now eh?), and I think it's probably one of the best...ever. I know I was pretty critical of the storyline when y'all told me about it, but actually watching it for myself and seeing and hearing everything...wow...it was just great.

The opening was just...heartbreaking....it almost made me want to have actually been on the plane, survive just to give him a big hug. :hug: Poor Hurley. I always thought it was strange that he never seemed to talk about Libby, but he must think about her all the time.

"They're all scared. And I'm scared. But then I've been scared most of my time here anyway. Except when I'm with you. I miss you Libby.

:'( :'(

I also really liked his flashback, as in a way it showed us how Hurley came to be how he is. I think in a way, most of the flashbacks from this series have been just to fill up another epsiode, as connecting to the island there haven't really been any stories along those lines....but we have been learning more about the characters which I think is still important.

But the best bit for me was when Hurley smacked Charlie. :lol: Sorry, to all you Charlie fans, but I can't stand the guy, and he's always moping round, so for Hurley to pick up on that and really tell him off, for me was just great.

And I really felt sorry for Hurley when no-one would help him with the car except Jin. I thought it was nice of Jin to help, and he and Hurley are so funny together, as they can't understand each other but they get along so well. :teehee: And when they were dragging Roger out of the car and the head fell of....:roll:...and then Sawyer jumped when he found it. :eyeroll:

And when Hurley saw Sawyer he was so overjoyed to see him! It was lovely! That's typical Hurley. :happy:

The whole Jin and Sawyer drinking beer was funny....it only clicked last night that when Sawyer was teaching Jon English names for things...he pointed at Hurley and said "International House of Pancakes". Poor Hurley. And when Hurley struggled to call Sawyer a name. Red Neck Man! :lol:

Man, that episode was just like LOST used to be....I can even forgive Sawyer for going off and not informing people what happened, as Kate told Locke and Sayid, so it makes sense to me now. :D

I also liked Sayid's epsiode.....PING PONG!!! :laughbounce:

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JF, You are welcome. I am always happy to pass along information and help out when and where I can. :-D
Oh, yay! Congratulations on getting to watch it. Well I'm not really sure that it was my favorite episode but it was pretty good. I am glad that you liked it. :-D
Oh, I know. The poor scene where he was talking to Libby I nearly cried...and back then I hadn't even seen Libby. I watched the episode where Libby died last night though and to watch that and then think about the episode where Hurley went to her grave and made that short speach...it makes it even more heatwrenching. It was just so sweet. Poor Hurley! Why oh why did they have to kill Libby?! :'( I want them to bring Shannon and Libby and Eko all back! :'(
Um I didn't like it when Hurley smacked Charlie. I mean I get that he was just trying to help him but...I still didn't like it. However he can mope around sometimes so...I guess I will deal...(cough) at least he didn't try to kill poor Charlie like somebody did (cough) Desmond... :annoyed2:
Yeah the head thing was very funny. Oh and when Sawyer jumped. lol Well I couldn't really blame him I would have jumped a half a country mile just like he did. lol :-D
Oh, that was my very favorite part of the entire episode. I just loved it when Sawyer tried to teach Jin English. "The international house of pancakes" line was funny but it was when Sawyer was teaching Jin "the only three things a woman needs to hear" line that I just fell out of my chair laughing at.
Ooh, yeah Sayid. I love poor Sayid. lol :-D

I watched the episode where Libby died last night. I just have to say that I have a new found respect for Kate's portrayer (E. Lilly). When she cried she even had the red nose. Hurley's actor also did quite well with the tears I think. Jack didn't cry but it actualy didn't bother me... :blink:...I have never liked an actor who didn't/couldn't/wouldn't cry in that kind of scene but with Jack it just didn't bother me. Then when Sawyer put his arms around Kate and let her cry on his shoulder...it was so sweet. I loved that part. Oh but when Libby died...I nearly cried. Poor Hurley needed her! Grrr bad Michael! I hate Michael. I hope that Michael never comes back. I wish the actor luck but good riddence to Michael! :explode: Okay, I'm finished now. lol I just had to say that though since I watched it for the first time last night. (laughs)

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Oh, you only got to see Libby's death epsiode last night? I can't say her death bothered me...it bothered me that Hurley was so upset. *sniff*

Weeeellll....Charlie does a lot of moping. Jack had to stop him from moping once, as did Locke..Eko as well I believe....and now Hurley. :eyeroll: So....I think Hurley had probably had enough of Charlie's mopy..ness? And it was quite true what he said about death and all that. *nods*

LOL! I wonder what Sun's reaction will be when if she hears what Jon learnt! :lol:

I can't really remember much about that epsiode really. I think I remember the Kate/Sawyer scene and thinking it was sweet. :-)

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Well at first I didn't like Libby. In fact I thought that she was annoying. However as the story went along and her and Hurley seemed to start building a romantic relationship I grew to like her more. Plus it helped that she started getting interesting connections eventualy. So it kind of bother me when Libby died. (sniff)
Hmm that is alot of people telling him to stop being mopey. Maybe if it would rain a little less he would be in abetter mood. :laughbounce: It rains alot there. Then again if I had Desmond constantly following me around telling me I was going to die, I don't think that the rain would be at the top of my worry list. :lol: I think that I would tell Desmond to shut up and go find another button to push! (laughs) Okay Des had really got to redeem himself so I can quite ranting about him. (laughs) Sorry.
:lol: Oh I really want them to show Sun's reaction to what Sawyer has taught innocent Jin. That would be priceless.
Yeah, Kate was just sitting in the kitchen crying over Libby's death, Sawyer walked over to where she was, sat down beside her, wrapped his arms around her, she cried on his chest/shoulder and he gave this grim look and hugged her. It was just so sweet. :)
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Okay...this is making me angry. :P This is like the third time I've written this! XD :annoyed: I go away for like 3 seconds, and come back and it's disappeared. XD

ANYWAY!
HURRAY FOR JF FINALLY watching Hurley's episode.
GREAT episode. The Libby part probably had me in tears, I can't remember. Although compared to my emotions of last week's episode...:P Ha ha ha! THAT was just a bit intense. XD
Although, the episode of Charlie's actual death. :P When Jack almost couldn't bring him back...I was weeping. :P
So, Hurley is wonderful. :) And I agree, I just want to HUUUUUUG him! BIG DOCTOR HUG! :hug:
And I want to hug Charlie too. :) :P

As for Libby's death. Now THAT was crazy. I mean, just unbelievable. I was in tears during that. SO sad. Not just because Hurley was sad, but because I liked Libby. :) So, even though I hated Ana Lucia, HER death came as a shock. Mainly because it was Michael...but then Libby. Yeah. Sida and I were sreaming by then. Tears streaming down my face. Couldn't believe it. :P So, Libby's death...quite horrific for me. XD

Now, for Charlie's so called being "mopey." :P Psssssssshhhhhhh. Ha ha ha!
I mean, when you're told you're going to die and Desmond may or may not be able to save you....yeaaaaaaaaah. Ha ha ha. And then Charlie was experiencing withdrawl symptoms. I mean, give the guy a break. *hugs Charlie and never lets go* :P I suppose I might be a bit biased...but still. XD

And...I was going to say something else...but by the 3rd time I've written this I can't remember and I no longer care. XD

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@ DD - Hmm...Libby was Ok...she wasn't my favourite, but I think had she survived a bit longer I probably would have grown to like her even more. :-)

Yeah, but for the last 2 and half years, there hasn't been a dude going round telling him he's going to die has there? ;)

Hmm...I could understand y'all being annoyed with Desmond if he had let Charlie die....he didn't so.... :teehee:

Oh, BTW here is the <a href="http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n74/johnnys_fan/Miss4.png">banner</a> that I made from the Hurley/Libby scene. :D

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Yay! Huzzah for me!! :goofy: Aww...yeah...I was feeling so sad at the Libby scene. Probably the saddest bitter sweet moment for me that I can remember.

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Hmmm.....Ok....here are my reasons for not being particulalry fond of Charlie.....please don't eat me.......:hide:.....my comments looking back at them are probaby a bit harsh and the order things happened are all wrong.....but I've kept this in since page 28...and I needed to get it off my chest....:teehee:


Ok, for a start I really liked Charlie. He was one of my favourite characters, as he was sarcastic but he was always funny. I felt really, really sorry for him when we found out that his mum basically bought him a piano, in the hope he would be a really good player, make money and get them out of the dump they lived in. Then we found out he was a decent person, unlike his druggie brother who used him and the music he wrote, and then stole the limelight from Charlie. And then when he got Charlie hooked on drugs, and cleaned himself up, he failed to help Charlie when he needed him most. Ok, that I felt sorry for. And getting hung. I'll give him that.

Ok, now I can't really remember but he kinda latched himself onto Claire. I can't really remember how this happened, something to do with the fact he was the only one who would speak to her when she was pregnant. But I have never got any indication from Claire until maybe this series, that she regarded Charlie as anything but a friend. And then he went really weird. He kept going on about the fact no-one was letting him do anything useful..blah..blah...blah...drug withdrawels...Ok...moping round...Locke was trying to help him and he did. And Charlie liked Locke "if there's one man I would put my faith in to get us off here it would be John Locke". Then he started whining about everything. Literally. This that and the other, and started to get on my nerves. He even stormed off when Hurley honestly told him about his fortune. He also starts to get jealous that Locke is spending a lot of time round Claire.....when there is no sign on Claire's part that anything is happening between her and Charlie. Then we had the whole Claire being kidnapped and her being brought back, and him shooting Ethan, and then hanging round Claire to get her to remember him. And then he found the drugs and kept them, and then moaned at Locke for not trusting him to be off drugs, then Locke found his stash and Claire found out. :orly: And then he kept having this weird visions and he kept taking Aaron to the point he's standing up to his waist in water with Aaron. Now, honestly, as Charlie had been acting werid how were they meant to know he wasn't going to hurt him? So Locke beats him up, and Charlie's not happy. So now he hates Locke's guts. So he teams up with Sawyer and kidnaps Sun. And then since, it's just been a rollercoaster of him being smarmy to people, coming out with sarcastic comments, that unlike Sawyer's aren't funny, just annoying, and whining about things that have happened. And now, he's jealous of Desmond. And annoyed with him about the fact he's going to die! It's not Desmon'ds fault. He shouldn't have saved him at all...then how would Charlie have liked it!? At least I wouldn't have to put up with his whining....unless he came back as a ghost....perish the thought......you know, so I find it hard when people aren't fond of Desmond anymore, at least he did the right thing....it took Charlie...how many episodes to admit to the kidnapping of Sun? And if she hadn't been sitting talking to him about it, he still wouldn't have told the truth.

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MontanaBohemian, Where it will like take you back to thew main forum or just ask you to login in repeatedly? If that is what you are talking about, then I know the feeling. It does that to me all of the time. I am truely sorry that it wouldn't let you post earlier. I am glad that it let you eventualy though. :-D
I agree with like everything you just said. (claps) Charlie, Ana Lucia, and Libby. I also agree that I Ana's death was shocking. I mean I really thought that Michael was going to just tie her up or somethign but not shoot her. I guess what goes around comes around though. So her death didn't bother me at all. I was waiting for that ever since she killed poor Shannon. I got mad at Michael though because hs shot Libby. :annoyed2: Dude, everybody shoots everybody. Has an Other even killed a Lostie yet? The Losties just keep killing the Losties...well them and the monster.
Who is Sida though? :confused: If you don't mind my asking that is.

JF, Well I must admit that you do have some good points. However I still like Charlie. Then again I am pretty biased, I think. Charlie could treat Locke anyway he wanted and to I don't think that I would care one bit and Desmond wouldn't be too far behind. I see it as Locke is out for Locke all the time, so why should anybody anywhere on that island care about him? Then I feel like Desmond was selfish last week...maybe not as selfish as Locke but still selfish. I mean not saving somebofdy because you think that if You don't it will get you saved, the woman of your dreams back in Your arms, and that You don't want to have to keep saving them...I see that as pretty selfish. On the other hand I agree that Charlie shouldn't have kidnapped Sun that was to help himself and himself only...so yeah he really shouldn't have done that. Then I also think that Charlie shouldn't have taken any drugs in the first place (even if his brother and his life tempted him). However he did quite the drugs eventualy and said that he was sorry to Sun, so I have forgiven him. Then he does whine but I know people in reality who whine awjhole lot more than him and if I was in his poistion I'm not sure that I wouldn't whine until the cows came home too. So I just like Charlie. :-D However that is just my opinion and I do understand why some people dislike him.

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Phew...thanks for not eating me DD! :hug: I wrote that at 5 in the morning after having a long discussion about Charlire with my brother, so I was all hyped up about him at the time.

Well all I can say in Locke's defense, at the time he wasn't bein particulalry selfish and he was helping people....now we know he will do anything (even if it means ruining other people's chances of rescue) to stay on the island.

I can't really explain why Charlie annoys me properly until I see series 1 and 2 again.....I think considering he isn't one of the main cast and the fact that he doesn't really do anything to help (Locke, Jack, Sayid, they have all done things for the good of the rest)...I just think he thinks he has a worse time than anyone...when in actual fact he's sitting pretty at the moment.

Anyway.....that's just my opinion....everyone's had their opinions of Ben so....:eyeroll:..

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Well, what happened was...I'd leave my comp. for like, a minute...come back, and the whole thing was gone. Like, everything I had typed. XD Oh well...it's all good. :P

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So, wait---you haven't seen the "double dirty deed" episode yet? Is the double dirty deed the "bang-bang"? :P Wow...I feel like I'm talking a different language. :P

Sida is Sidawethiel, a moddie! :) She was my roommate last year! :P We scared/annoyed our neighbors every Wednesday night when we watched Lost. :P

As for what you said, JF. I can see where you're coming from. :P Not that I agree with it. :P But it's understandable. I think he "latched" himself onto Claire, because he wanted to take care of her. One of HIS episodes explained that a bit. And I think, part of his "moping" around saying that no one will let him help, fueled his desire to help her.
When he says that no one let him help, it is sort of true. Like Jack and others just kind of shooed him away. Like, "No thanks, Charlie. We don't need your help." Sort of treating him like a child almost. That's how I saw it.
And as for Hurley telling him the truth, if someone told YOU that they were worth a gazillion dollars, would you believe them? If you had no proof, and they just said that? I mean, I wouldn't. It's one of those just completely ridiculous things. That, it may BE the truth, but is so ABSURD, that you can't believe it.
And Locke, in my opinion, is just a jerk. He's a complete psycho. :P As far as I'm aware of, and this is how I took it...but I took Charlie's "stash" to be a reminder to him of how he was. You know?
What Locke found it...he completely misinterpreted it. And then told Claire, or whatever. Totally screwing with their relationship. Psshh...*calls Locke many bad names* XD

As for Desmond. I LOVE Desmond. I only said that if Desmond had let Charlie die, I wouldn't have liked him much anymore. :P But he didn't. And that's Desmond. Desmond wouldn't let ANYONE die, if it was in his power. He changed his "premonition" thing because he couldn't conscienciously let someone die.
And if you were in Charlie's shoes, if Desmond had told you that you were going to die...all these times...and then he "mysteriously" tries to get you to come on some random expedition...I'd be suspicious too. I mean, Desmond lied to him. :P I mean, I can understand Charlie's postion of being angry at Des for lying. :P

As for the kidnapping thing...well, I mean, I thought it was a bit harsh that they took Sun. And we have to rememeber...it was Charlie AND Sawyer. Let's not lay all the blame on Charlie. :P (Man, I would NOT be a good friend for an addict...:P) For Sawyer had a hand in it. They planned it TOGETHER. Ha ha! *evil laughter* Great teamwork!! :P *cough* I mean...okay...minus the Sun part...it was okay. Well, they didn't hurt Sun....gah. :P I'm good with that part. :P So, the kidnapping...that didn't bother me for some reason. I think I'm alone in that. :P
But what it accomplished, I thought that was the most brilliant thing ever. :P I don't know why. It was just...something...my hatred for Locke probably. Gah...I don't know. :P

But, like I said, I'm biased. I can just see everything from his point of view. Just makes sense to me. :P

And I honestly think there are bigger plans for Charlie. I mean...how many times has he escaped death, WITHOUT Des's help? :P
Now that I think about it...in the pilot episode, he was just barely missed by like part of the plane falling off and exploding. Ummm...the hanging...the collapse of that cave...ummm...I know there are few others...but if you think about it...he's almost died lots of times. :P SO...ha ha ha...oh the theories I can come up with. XD

*sigh* Okay....well, we all have our own opinions. :P

EDIT: Oh my goodness, I TOTALLY forgot to comment on that Hurley/Libby banner!
It's SOOO heartbreakingly sweet! AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! *hugs Hurley :hug: *
Ha ha ha! *cough-ImaystealitJF-cough*
XD :P

Wow...I didn't realize I wrote so much. :blink: And I didn't realize how many ":P" I used. XD

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JF, Oh don't worry, I won't eat you. You are more than welcome to express and have your own opinion. lol So I'm totally not going to eat you. The worst possable thing is that I might debate... and not that tell people that they are just flat out wrong/stupid/have no basis ect junk that some people that I know offline call debate either...I'm nicer than that. (laughs) So really other than making me talk even more you have nothing to fear in/of me. (laughs)
Well it did seem that Locke was trying to help Claire but after all that he has done...looking back I'm not one hundred percent sure that I'm not more of a mind with Sawyer and that perhaps Locke really did want something from Claire. I'm not exactly saying that he actualy wanted what Sawyer had implied that he thought that Locke wanted from Claire...but I can't see Locke helping somebody just to be helping somebody. lol However based on the information that we have right now...I will admit that you are probabley right on that and that the absolute facts at this point totally suport that. (shrugs)
Well sometimes there are characters that are just annoying and we have no idea why we think so. So I can get not always being able to explain why...especialy when you haven't seen the start of it in like forever. lol I do get what you are saying though.

Johnny's Fan wrote:
...everyone's had their opinions of Ben so....:eyeroll:..


(laughs) Very true.

MontanaBohemian, Oh, okay. Hmm that is strange. I have never had it do that before. Well I am glad that it finaly kept it.
Oh, how I agree with you on Locke! Jerk...that is like his middle name...(high fives MontanaBohemian)
Well he didn't actualy let him die or do anything that resulted in his death unlike some other characters have before (cough) Locke (cough) as you said. So I think that he might could redeem himself in my eyes...it's just going to take some time and heroic actions for the Losties (esepcialy or mainly Charlie) on Desmond's part. (shrugs)
Ooh, good point! I had nearly forgotten all about that! I wonder if all those times that he has escaped death without Des's help will come in to play...I think that I would like it if it did. :-D :bounce:

Okay I found a thread on a different board where they were talking about possable couples...or rather couples that they really hope are possable couples...(laughs) and I want to see what your opinions are on those couples. What do you think of Daire (Desmond and Claire)? Then what do you think of Suliet (Sawyer and Juliet)? They both seemed to start quite a bit of talk on there.

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