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It's interesting to note that... Lucius seems almost uncomfortable with him that he can't verbalize his thoughts at a moments notice---he has to sit down, write out what he wishes to say, the points he has to be make, etc. It makes sense for such a quiet man.
And when you think of Ivy in the same light---you would think that she would be uncomfortable with herself due to her blindness, but she's not---I think she's one of the most well acquainted people in the whole village, so that's another reason why Lucius and Ivy are so well fit together.
JF, I know what you mean about Ivy being an Jane Austen character---the more I think about it, the more I can believe it!
Oh gosh the cellar scene (though it freaked me out) I was grinning my head off, my heart melted. They're so perfect with one another---but can you just imagine how awkward it would be? Noah-Kitty-Lucius-Ivy in that cellar? @_@ I like the idea of when you love someone, you do not touch them---because it continued to be incorporated into the Edward Walker-Alice Hunt relationship (which I'm very glad they left in the air, because I don't think I would've liked it seeing as though Edward would be comimtting an evil which goes against the entire theme).
Perhaps Lucius said, "....I'm sorry." xD
<b>Vivi</b>: Great points---I LOVED THE THEME of the movie.... that they had to escape society to escape evil.
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Yes, and that is another thing that makes him so different from the rest of the young men, because most of those would just have spoken what they wanted to say, and not resorted to words they had written on paper. As you said, for a quiet man it makes sense, and most quiet men do sort of explode at some point, which is why I loved the porch scene, and the anger, I suppose it was, or just supressed feelings and the fact he was doing all that while whispering! It just added to the whole scene. *has a big stupid grin on her face* 
Ivy has character. We don't see an awful lot of the other women, but she is the life and soul of the village. Maybe it is because she can't do the work the other women can, and that is why she has her own unique character, unlike anyone else, but whenever we see her with the elders she always seems to make them smile, or they look upon her in such a good light. And they don't seem to mind her tomboy ways.
Glad I'm not the only one. I wonder, had see been a Jane Austen character, and maybe she suffered in one of her books, the way she has in the Village, if she may not have been one of the, if not the, most beloved Jane Austen herorine, because of her spirit, and the way she is.
The bit for me, was when Ivy realised, look down and we saw Lucius, clutching her hand tightly, under his arm. I thought that was such a beautiful moment in all the terror. Lol, I know what you mean. I actually think there was another bloke down there with them as well. Very awkward.
Yeah, is Ivy's dad already married? I saw the cast list that there was a Tabitha Walker so I'm guessing he is. I know we saw him for a few scenes with a woman, but I wasn''t sure, because I was surprised that Lucius would mention the fact he had feelings for Mrs. Hunt if Mr. Walker was already married. Given the way he had been brought up and everything. I think that the fact he said to her about Ivy leaving was "all he could give her" pretty much said he had feelings for her, but he would do the right thing ultimately. Which makes sense, as you said, for the kind of film it is.
Whatever it was, it probably wasn't tactful enough!
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Yes, and that is another thing that makes him so different from the rest of the young men, because most of those would just have spoken what they wanted to say, and not resorted to words they had written on paper. As you said, for a quiet man it makes sense, and most quiet men do sort of explode at some point, which is why I loved the porch scene, and the anger, I suppose it was, or just supressed feelings and the fact he was doing all that while whispering! It just added to the whole scene. *has a big stupid grin on her face* [has a big stupid grin on hers as well] That entire porch scene was BRILLIANT. One night I just kept playing the scene over and over and over and over. Johnny's Fan wrote: Ivy has character. We don't see an awful lot of the other women, but she is the life and soul of the village. Maybe it is because she can't do the work the other women can, and that is why she has her own unique character, unlike anyone else, but whenever we see her with the elders she always seems to make them smile, or they look upon her in such a good light. And they don't seem to mind her tomboy ways. We don't see her much with the Elders, actually---I prominently remember her with her father, obviously, and Mrs. Clack, but that's really it. But Edward is quite fond of his daughter, I suspect Ivy is his favorite as bad as choosing favorites sound, and Mrs. Clack is just a very nice old lady and we see them have a conversation and see her lead Ivy around when they danced at Kitty's wedding, I suspect Ivy is always in the Elders' good books, mainly because she is blind, they've always believed that she is the essence of the Village, the simple life, because even though she's blind, and they've prevented any thought of surgery from the towns, she's happy with herself. And her bright disposition is probably a relief on their guilt. Johnny's Fan wrote: Glad I'm not the only one. I wonder, had see been a Jane Austen character, and maybe she suffered in one of her books, the way she has in the Village, if she may not have been one of the, if not the, most beloved Jane Austen herorine, because of her spirit, and the way she is. AH!!! xD [trying to imagine M. Night Shyamalan as a Jane Austen] xD You make a good point though, if Jane Austen had written about an Ivy Walker in a small village with some dashing handsome young man as Lucius Hunt (and the scenarios fit --- Ivy's eldest is enamored with the man Ivy loves but she feels that the happiness of her sister must go before her own because she is the lesser of the two and then the dashing young man regrettably rejects the eldest, and turns out that he loves Ivy. [giggles]). I s'pose Jane Austen can't be perfect.  Johnny's Fan wrote: The bit for me, was when Ivy realised, look down and we saw Lucius, clutching her hand tightly, under his arm. I thought that was such a beautiful moment in all the terror. Lol, I know what you mean. I actually think there was another bloke down there with them as well. Very awkward. Ivy's realization was beautifully filmed. Seconds ago, she's standing in the open doorway holding out her hand to try and find Lucius in the darkness and the Farces are going at her, she's trembling with utter fear and then we see Lucius out of no where, grab her hand, drag her inside, shuts the door and takes her down into the cellar and Ivy---still terrified of the Farces---are staring up and then suddenly, there's something warm encompassing her hand and she realizes its Lucius---holding her hand. [squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee] Johnny's Fan wrote: Yeah, is Ivy's dad already married? I saw the cast list that there was a Tabitha Walker so I'm guessing he is. I know we saw him for a few scenes with a woman, but I wasn''t sure, because I was surprised that Lucius would mention the fact he had feelings for Mrs. Hunt if Mr. Walker was already married. Given the way he had been brought up and everything. I think that the fact he said to her about Ivy leaving was "all he could give her" pretty much said he had feelings for her, but he would do the right thing ultimately. Which makes sense, as you said, for the kind of film it is.
Yep. Edward and Tabitha Walker---the first time I watched it, I was utterly confused with the Edward/Alice but the second time, it made more sense and I understood it more. The temptation between Alice and Edward is nicely done---because even though they have that desire and attraction for one another, they know they can't, despite how much they want to---they have decidedly left evil for good and so if they started with this form of evil, it could spread to a more violent evil and so their efforts would have been for nothing. They already made the mistake of Noah Percy's attempt of Lucius's murder---they couldn't make another one. So Edward's "This is all I can give you." and Alice's "I accept" is the close of their potential relationship and it extends the entire theme of what they've sacrificed for peace and hope for the people in their village.
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Hehe, I think I remembered the porch scene more than anything else from the film. It left me with that warm squishy feeling, just as much as any declaration of love scene, from a Jane Austen film.
Ah, I think I kept getting the elder women confused, as they tended to look a little same. That's probably why I thought she seemed to be seen with a lot of the elders. She was never shown with any of the men, just mentioned. If Mrs. Clack is the one who lost her sister, it could be why she has a fondness for Ivy especially when her older sister gets married, as it reminds her of herself.
You never know. We could put the idea to him! "please stop making your awesome films and right some Jane Austen style books. Ta chuck!" XD
Oh, that was brilliantly put.
Quote: and then suddenly, there's something warm encompassing her hand and she realizes its Lucius---holding her hand
*dies from squeeeeeeeeeeness*
Is Tabitha the one, who was talking to Edward about the fact he had taken an oath never to go back? (this was when we learnt he was thinking of letting Ivy go) Or was that Mrs. Clack. They both look alike. *shakes fist at 19th century drab clothing*
Yes, I think it was a good way to sort of end it (although nothing had begun). Because they both knew that nothing good would come of it, and as you said, it would just be another sacrafice they had made to preserve their way of life.
I had never noriced before (it was mum who spotted it), then when Edward opens the black box and pulls out the photo, and we see all the elders, younger, they are standing outside a councilling building, so that is how they all met. And then in the voiceover, Edward intoduces himself as a Professor of American History, and how he would like to talk to you (meaning them). So this gives us the reason how they came to meet, and also that Edward had the knowledge of how people lived back in the 19th century.
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Well, the porch scene was most definitely one of the best. And yes, JF. The squishy warm feeling you get. ^^
Yep. Mrs. Clack is the one that said her sister did not live past her 23rd birthday.
M. Night Shyamalan is so good that he can direct awesome movies AND write sappy Jane Austen-esque books all at the same time.
Overall I love the interaction and relationship between Lucius and Ivy, they connect on a level that none of the other villagers seem to have....
And yeah, Tabitha is the one who makes a huge deal about Edward letting Ivy into the woods. We don't see Mrs. Clack (as in she has lines) except for the beginning scene with the Elders in the Meeting Hall, speaking to Ivy at Kitty's wedding, dancing around in at the wedding party, and at the end with whole group of them criticizing Edward for his decision to let Ivy go. She's the one that said, "What have you done?"
It is rather hard to tell them apart. xD All I know is Tabitha is the shorter of the two of she and Alice. Alice is taller, more severe-looking (at least to me, we all know she's a sweetheart).
Yeah. Edward Walker was the one who thought it all up---which is probably why he's known as the "Head Elder". There are very common misunderstandings of this---because some people think that they were counselors at the center and that they heard all these horrible stories and they decided to do this but it makes more sense if they were actually there for the counseling.
We have Alice Hunt whose husband was robbed and murdered, left to be found in a river. Mrs. Clack whose sister was raped and killed, found in a dumpster several blocks from their apartment. August Nicholson's brother was shot through the left eye while trying to treat a drug dealer in the ER. Edward Walker's father was shot in his sleep over a business dispute.
I don't think we learned anyone else's secret.... The idea of that "there are secrets in every corner of this village, do you not feel it" ? is very powerful, and I think the Elders were uncomfortable of Lucius's perception.
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*needs to make a banner of the porch scene*
Ah, right. I think I get the difference now between Mrs. Clack and Mrs. Walker.  Well for me, I can't mistake Alice Hunt, because she is played by Sigourney Weaver and she doesn't have grey hair. 
I don't think I ever really thought much about they had all ended up together. Maybe I did notice the councilling sign, and I knew that they met up because they were all going to councilling sessions, but if I did know that, I had forgotten it when I saw it the other night. XD Which is probably good really, because if you watch the Village too much, you will know everything, and although if you watch it once a year, you'll know most of it, there will be one or two thing you forget. I still jumped at certain scenes, and I was expecting it!
That's true. There are more secrets in the village, that even we, the audience, don't know about. We can only guess I suppose.
There are about 10 village elders or something like that? And yet there are an awful lot of people in the village. We know of some of the children of the elders, but not others, so it is entirely possible the rest have children that we don't know of. But there are also lots of young children in the village. August Nicholson said all he family had died in the village, so although he has no relations with him anymore, we know that people could bring their families if they wanted.
And as we saw Lucius as a baby in the photo of all the Elders, we can probably guess that the village has been going for maybe 18-22 years, which I suppose would explain why there does seem to be a lot of young children and young adults, as they all must have been born after or just before the Village was started.
I can only presume that the Elders did bring more people with them, than just their husbands and wives, because I doubt they could all have produced so many children of such different ages. It would have been nice to see a bit more family interaction maybe, between the Elders and there non-Elder family members.
Woah.. that was long... and complicated... o.0
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AHH [ would love to JF's banner of the porch scene ]
It IS complicated isn't it? There are so many layers to M. Night Shyamalan's movies, it's fantastic.
I like to think that the Elders probably brought others that were also long members of the counseling center, but they had to be sure that they were secretive about it, that they could pull this swift century-change. It was probably a very, very stressful time. I can see them trying to set it all up and having it take a year or two before actually proceeding with it. If they were to bring others, they were probably not part of the Elder circle if they did not want to be, but they were bound to secrecy about everything.
Lucius Hunt seems to be the eldest isn't he? Everyone else is either around his age---younger---or around Edward Walker's age. Noah LOOKS older but I suspect he's around Ivy's age.
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I even went to the cinema to see this film. But The Village was a dissappointment. Maybe I expected too much of it because I really liked The Sixth Sense and the Unbreakable, so I thought this one must be exciting and surprsing too. Well, it was a little surprising, but not scary at all. I wouldn't like to watch this movie again.
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I think you were a victim of the bad advertising for this film---you saw the previews, expected it to be a scary horror but you got a psychological thriller instead. You may have been expecting a Sixth Sense, but got something less supernatural, more human. I don't look to see a "scary" movie from Shyamalan, I go to see something psychological.
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I'm working on it. Even with my own screencaps it is hard because you never see either of their heads in full when they are close. It's a right pain.
Yes, looking at it logically they must have brought other people with them to populate the place. August for example, has no more family alive there. I would imagine his parent(s) would also have been grief stricken after what happened to his brother, so I would guess he brought them along as well. And maybe any other relatives.... because how could they explain a family disappearing if there were relatives in the "outside" world, still alive? [but we won't go into that because I don't want to think of any plot holes in this terrific story] And we know he must have had a wife, as he had a son. *nods* Yep. Relatives, friends, aquaintances is good enough for me.
Hm, yes I think he might be. I think Kitty is too immature to be the same age... yet Ivy is younger yet she seems more mature.... I think Lucius might be the same age as Finton (the one he stayed with in the tower) and maybe Christop (the one who married Kitty). But that's probably about all. Maybe Noah as well. I don't think any of them are over 22 though. I think in those days a young man within those close comminities, it would be odd for him to be much older and not married.
@ Elerrína - I think I have to agree with Kit. I agree that the Village is a slower film, but that maybe because it is not set in our time and it just seems that way.
What I want from a Shyamalan film is a good story. And I know that is what I'll get.
I hope you can give it a second chance and maybe your opinion will change. 
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Yes. Lucius has to be the oldest of the "group who has known no other life but the village". Because we see other older people, not as old as Edward Walker and his generation but older---and those I'm pegging are the relatives, the ones who had sworn an oath to secrecy.
I'd like to expand in how close their relatives had to be for them to bring them along---question is: How do we know they still had that much family left? It's possible (with the "other towns" that Shyamalan has set up for us) that these people and their families have suffered <i>many</i> tragedies by violence. Perhaps the stories that they revealed to be their "secrets" were the stories that drove them over, the ones that made them finally say, "I've had enough of this world". and Edward Walker came in and said, "I have a proposition."
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Yes, I think you're right there. Of the ones that were way too young to remember coming to the Village or who were born just after, Lucius is probably the oldest. I think there are a number of muabe 30-40 somethings. A bit too young to be Elders, but maybe cousins etc.
That is a very plausible theory. It would be very sad though, to think some of the Elders suffered more than one tragedy, comsidering the tragedies we know of were particularly sad and violent.
I would say it would be up to each individual person to decide which relatives could come with them. As long as the Elders knew the realtives (however distant) would take the oath and keep it, I don't suppose it would matter. As about 99.9% of them would only leave the modern world because the family death had deeply affected them and made them question the world they live in. (The other .1% I would say would be people who wouldn't let their spouses, children etc leave them behind whether they really wanted to live there or not).
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.... Do you think that some of these people because of violence were brought to the village because they can so easily believe that it is the true world and not the modern world? That some of them could've suffered minor/major psychotic breaks in the process of creating the village ? Could Noah have been one of them?
I love discussing psychology. xD
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Well, there's a possibility that the Elders don't know about these minor/major psychotic breaks---when I say psychotic break, I mean, a total world-switch here, though they act perfect normal in their "time" but it would be extremely difficult for them to go back to the real time. That's why the Elders were distraught when Noah Percy tried to kill Lucius, I imagine they tried to control Noah's innocent ways so that he can forever remain that way and it wouldn't evolve into something else (which it did and poor Noah!) but there could be so many extremely complicated levels to this, and how it plays out in the film is wonderful.
I love Shyamalan so much it hurts.
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