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Post subject:  Posted: August 15th, 2007, 8:50 pm |
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lol yeh he is cute. lol another person jumping in  but i absolutely love this movie too. but i haven't seen it in a long time though. when i watched that movie i watched it with my uncle and aunt b/c i randomly felt like watching a "scary" movie. i had never saw a movie like that so i didn't know what to expect. but ever since i just love that movie. i think the monsters are soo cool looking! too bad they're not real  _________________ "Have i gone mad?"
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Post subject: Posted: August 15th, 2007, 8:58 pm |
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They are pretty neat looking, the conceptual designer is very talented. I liked the look of the costume that Noah took in particular. The spikes are just awesome.
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Post subject: Posted: August 15th, 2007, 11:39 pm |
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I adored The Village! And, strangely enough - it is my favorite of Shylaman's films.
When I first watched it, I guess I really didn't know what to think. One of my best friends had told me it was awesome, and that I had to see it. Sadly, in doing so, she had also revealed quite a few of the key plot twists.  However, even with some of the suspense gone from it, I was on the edge of my seat. The emotion was so intense!
The strength of Ivy's character really stands out to me. I do love the Lucius and Ivy pairing very much [I love your sig set Kit, btw. I remember timx4 made me an Ivy sig set when I first joined, I'll have to take it out and use it again sometime.] My favorite scene was on the porch, when he added very calmy, "And yes I will dance with you on our wedding night." That line just made me squee aloud.
And then, though I may be a loner here, I like Noah Percy's character second only to Ivy [Lucius comes third.] I hurt for him so much in his ...how does one say it?... demented innocence. Everything is a game to him.
Adrian Brody did a brilliant job too. I love Adrian Brody... he's got such an interesting face. I love his nose. [bordering fangirlishness here. *slaps self* Stop it.] _________________ <center>
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 2:35 am |
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Not a loner---we love Noah's character as well, however, I wouldn't go as far as saying he's above Lucius... because... well, it's Lucius.... [goes to her a corner and squees for a few moments]
So yeah---yeah a friend of mine spoiled some things for me as well but I still enjoyed it very much! I must insist that you show us your Ivy sig-set. We need all the fans we can get!
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 12:10 pm |
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Lucius is quite amazing, isn't he? So out of the norm for a male hero; quiet, gentle, shy, a bit awkward even... and yet maintaining this unassuming courage that would drive him to do things which he has no will for otherwise.
One of my favorite scenes of the movie [hit me if you've discussed this already] is when Walker show's Ivy what is within the "old shed that is not to be used." Ivy seems so afraid, and yet obviously trusts her father to be telling the truth.
However, when she's in the woods, her encounter with Noah puts doubts back in her mind. What kind of battle do you think that must have been; not knowing whether to trust her father's words and believe the monsters didn't exist; or to trust her own keen senses and experiences? Too, there had to have been *some* element of doubt in her mind... since she already knew her father had been decieving them all, despite it's worthy nature.
Aye, next time I change sig sets, I shall have to use <A HREF="http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/TreasureSeeker/Banners/ivy2bancopycopy.png">this one.</A> Although it delves with the more horrific side of the film, I still love it.
Oh yes, and the opening lines! They are so expressive, so human, so poetic.
Who'll pinch me to wake me up?
Who will laugh at me when I fall?
Whose breath will I listen for...
...so that I may sleep?
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 1:06 pm |
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@ Kit - That's a very good point about the fact Ivy and Lucius will become Elders one day. Will the Elders fully tell them all that goes on in the woods? Because someone will have to keep the threat alive by wearing the costumes. And how will Ivy and Lucius react to finding out why they are living in the village and what is beyond those woods? I don't think I even want to guess really, as it may spoil the Village for me, if I try and go to deeply into the story, like critics do, and then find fault with it.
I also don't think Noah skinned the animals. I'm not sure he would have been able to wipe away all the evidence of what he did. It was just another trick the elders used to keep people away from the woods.
I think Kitty had probably been reading too many romance novels. XD And yet, she seemed more mature when Ivy was talking to her about Lucius and more how you would expect someone her age to act. I felt sorry for Kitty when Lucius denied her, but I think it was probably a much needed experince for her, as she did change because of it.
Ah, I did not notice that she Tabitha was pregnant. Then you're right. Kitty and Lucius are probably the eldest.
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@ Elenya - Yes, I think you do have to feel sorry for Noah. There was no-one in the cinema a bigger fan of Joaquin Pheonix then me, when went to see it, and I could still feel sorry for him. If he had been of sound mind, and completely aware of the consequences of his actions, then I probably wouldn't have, but he didn't know what he was doing or the pain it would cause.
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@ Larael - I agree with you. I could watch it again and again as well, although I like a few mnths between each viewing so I don't remeber eveything.  Ooh, yes the music is great. James Newton Howard always scores M. Night's films so well. The "Those We Don't Speak Of" piece is particularly good.
A lot of people said they knew what thr twist was from like 5 minutes in the film. I refuse to believe that so many people knew the twist. I'm sure they are all saying that just to annoy people and to prove what a "bad" film it was. 
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@ FM - Yay! Another Lucivy! I would have to put Lucius and Ivy above Noah though... I'm going for more character than actor... Ok, I lied... I love Joaquin Pheonix.  I think the Village is on a par with Signs. They are both completely different from each other... some days Village is number one... some days Signs is... I'll have to have them both as one, so everyone's happy.
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@ Kit - *joins Kit in her corner*
Wow, all you people who had moments spoiled. I didn't have a clue!
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@ FM - Hmm... I think Ivy will just think that Edward was telling her all this to make her feel better and to make her feel safe. I don't think she believed him, as not only did she throw away the "magic rocks" (which had she believed him she would have thrown away) but she also looked absolutely terrified. Ivy going to the towns was something she wanted to do, and something no-one else could do for her or stop her from doing, so I don't think she will think badly of Edward for trying to make her feel less scared. I don't even think if Noah hadn't put on the costume, and if she had make it there and back safetly, she still would have believed him.
The opening lines are beautiful.
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 6:27 pm |
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Yeah i had the wholde movie spoiled for me. my friend told me the whole entire ending but i was still on teh egde fo my seat and i still enjoyed it, but i would have enjoyed it more if i didn't know the ending. has anyone ever watched the deleted scenes? it's kind of interesting b/c there's a scene where Ivy walks by a tree that has things that makes the awesomely cool noise for the monsters. it was kinna cool but i understand why it was deleted.
lol i like his nose too! but yeah...
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 6:35 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 8:48 pm |
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Aye, what you say about Ivy going to the towns is very true. We know she was afraid, but she was so driven by her love for Lucius that she put aside her fear.
I also agree with you on Christop and Finton; it seems very likely that the elders never intended for them to *completely* go with her all the way. Probably, she didn't expect them too either.
Another interesting character is Kevin, the guard. What he does is positively heroic, and yet I don't think he ever realizes it, or will ever know that he's saved a man's life.
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 9:34 pm |
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i don't remember, what happened? i saw this amazing movie like 4 years ago...
yes i agree. i don't think they expected them to either. they were kinna brave, then went all scared, of course i would be too 
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 9:37 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: August 16th, 2007, 11:30 pm |
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Goodness me; I completely missed Larael's post.... I'm assuming it's Larael, who knows with all you nutters changing names on me.
The music WAS fantastic- wasn't it? I felt at times it wasn't appropriate though, some of the music, but some pieces are just gorgeous, you really don't mind. No wonder it got an award for best original score.
I can certainly agree with you there, Larael. Shyamalan has very bad PR'ing it's not on one occasion that his films paid for it. Lady in the Water suffered the same consequences as well.
OH FM---Lucius is quite the man. There is no doubt about that. I can only imagine the internal, mental battle within Ivy as she traveled through the forest, oh the fear in her. That's what makes Ivy such an amazing character all around.
That's a brilliant sig! That is the scariest part of the film though for me.
JF---I don't ever want to ever stop analyzing the niches of this film because it's thorough, I think--- I find no mistakes. M. Night Shyamalan makes no mistakes. The only reason why I find the critics so very harsh with this movie is because they came to see it looking for something completely different and they got something completely different so they treated it as something they did not like because they did not get what they wanted to see. The critics do not hail Shyamalan for his ability of story-telling, does not account for the themes, lessons, emotional involvement, the psychological thought that was put in this film---because they came to see it with their minds already made up and only looked for clues and evidence and points that would support <i>their</i> view of his film.
He is THAT good.
Yes, I can buy that, JF. Kitty had just been raised on romance novels is all. I do love Kitty for her character growth especially after she is married, I can't imagine her being bouncey and bright and hopeful so much in such a dark film.
Yeah---there is no way so many people "figured it out" so early on---they may have suspected it but they certainly didn't know for sure what would happen. For me, I was spoiled so I knew the whole basic things that were going to be unraveled but I didn't know the details and I didn't spend the film trying to figure it out and I just LOVED it.
JF, I believe that Finton and Christop were chosen because they were the ones that fully believed their lie---they knew these two would never question it. Which is why I believe Walker tried to give Ivy the magic rocks, to provide a cover for them so that they would have the courage to go on with Ivy despite how frightened they are of Those We Do Not Speak Of. They knew that if they were instructed to stay at the road and await Ivy's return, they would have because they would not dare to go farther. However, as we know Christop turned back a few short steps and hop inside the forest not wanting any of this despite the magic rocks--- he had a new wife and a whole new life to build, why would he risk that? Finton also left Ivy when it rained, beating on his mental courage and felt it is not his destiny to follow Ivy so deep into the forest, but it was still her destiny to be the one to go through because "you are blind, they will take pity on you like they did on Noah when he ventured into the woods".
Are you sure the scene with the chimes was when Finton and Christop would be still with her? I thought I saw that her cloak was dirtied from her fall which is why she was begging them to let her through for "love", that she believes they are real now.
I want to believe the guard was in on it---which is why he said nothing about the medicines, the ladder to "fix a sign", and preaching to Kevin about not talking--because he has learned what it is within that Kevin (a supposed new guy) had not already. As Ivy and Lucius are to be the new elders, I want to believe Kevin is the guard (despite how much we love the one portrayed by M. Night).
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*attempts to catch up on discussion*
@ FM: Ivy is an amazing character. She has wisdom beyond her years and an inner strength that would be hard to match. The Lucius/Ivy pairing is a beautiful one. He is quiet and restrained, whilst she is extroverted and talkative. Opposites attract is definitely true here. What an amazing relationship!
Noah's character is conflicting. He's a simple and therefore can not help the way he acts or feels sometimes. His innocence is an intriguing cover up for his feelings within.
@ JF: Oo, that is a good one with some rather interesting [if not chilling!] music effects. I particularly like The Gravel Road. The prominent violin gives this new ringing hope to the feel of the movie.
*sticks out tongue at said people* I don't believe it. I was in complete shock when we found out everything. There's no way anyone could have figured that out without prior knowledge!
@ Kit: Hehe.. yes, it's me.  Certainly, there are some moments where it just doesn't fit, but others, such as when Lucius takes Ivy's hand to pull her inside and then everything turns slow mo... wow, amazing, amazing, amazing violin work. 
Exactly, there was nothing wrong with Lady in the Water really. Yet, it got boo'ed just as this one did. *shrugs*
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@ Kit - I just re-read my post and found a fault with it. I meant to say that I don't want to go too much into the story in some areas, in case next time I watch it my head gets too filled up with theories and everything so that is distracts me. I also meant to say that I believe the critics sometimes go too deeply into a story (not as we do here because we are awesome and everything makes sense) but just throughly enough to convince themselves the plot is full of little holes and the story is paper thin. Which is complete bobbins in my humble opinion.
I don't know how they could have figured it out either... I mean what did they do go .... "Ooh, look. There's a gravestone 12 seconds into the film dudes... that's really obvious....maybe it's gonna be a zombie movie and someone crawls out and eats the weeping dude.....or maybe it's got something to do with what's on the stone dudes.... maybe the name is of someone famous and the films predicts the dudes death.....no, Ok... oh, wait the date is soooo awesomely obvious dudes, it has to be important because it's sooo obvious.... I know, because the date has been seen close up within the first 15 seconds it must mean that the blind lady that I have yet to see, has to go to the nearest town for medicine after not-all-there dude stabs her groom to be.... oh, and it's set in modern times really... oh, yeah..."
Now, why didn't I think of that when I was watching it.
Yeah, I think the rocks were some attempt to make them feel better. Do you think though there is a possibility that the Elders knew they would not get far with her?
Yes, I'm pretty sure. Because she would have been begging to let her through, before she reached the "town" and it was a little while before she reached the road, so they should have been with her at that point. I'll check because I could be wrong.
Which guard do you think is in on it? I think I'm confused. Because I believe M. Night knows too well what is going on... or are you on about Kevin?
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@ Larael - Aw, I need to get more tracks. Those We Don't Speak of is the only one I know. I agree with you about them not knowing... although ^^ could possibly be how they knew.
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<b>Larael:</b> Oh the part where Lucius grabs Ivy's hand and drags her in---such a brilliant moment, the slow-motion could be cheesy but it worked so well with the music right there, it's wonderful. The second squee-moment after the porch scene.
<b>JF:</b> LOL! Exactly, JF. Exactly. Bloody critics. No wonder why M. Night Shyamalan made fun of them in Lady in the Water.
There is never a definite knowledge with the Elders, they do things out of luck, possibly, in hopes that their actions, their lie, is for the greater good. And they couldn't have possibly known the true nature of the two escorts. I'm going to say that they wanted to believe that the two could find the courage in themselves, the good in them, to help Ivy through this---and because they wanted to believe this, they wanted to make sure their lie is never known by anyone but Ivy---so Walker tells her specifically that she, alone, must go to the towns and that Finton and Christop must stay behind at the gravel road.
I definitely think that that scene was after she almost fell in the whole, and after her encounter with Noah--- because that's what happened before she reached the road.
I want Kevin to be the next M. Night, I tried to say. That as there are generations of Elders, there will be generations of good guards looking out for their privacy.
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@ Kit: And then when Lucius holds Ivy's hand whilst they're in the cellar - Squee!
@ JF: You really must. Ah yes, a very good point. Silly peoples all the same.
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