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So, at this point it's a general consensus that Snape is a noteworthy character, and that there is some connection between him and Harry.

Taking a new perspective - I dunno how many of you have watched the first HP movie lately [yes, I know it was bad!], but they way Alan Rickman portrayed our first glimpse of movie!Snape was very interesting. In the book Harry gets the impression that Snape dislikes him, yet in the movie AR has a look of almost curiosity or of reminisence. If I could just find a screencap of it...

*runs off to do a google search*

EDIT: Good Lord! That's an impossible cap to find!

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But isn't it interesting that even before we knew the outcome of Snape's life, and definitely before AR knew it, he chose to portray it that certain way. I think it's worth noting the way that turned out.

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Yay for agreements!

I shall be editing this post with more topic discussion when I get home from school today.

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True. I didn't think of that but you're right about Snape in the movie didn't strike me as so hating as in the books. Also they made him look a lot nicer so it was more his contemplative look I noted... and not so much the fact that Harry's scar hurts when he looks towards the professors. Actually, it wasn't until Harry's broom is bewitched during the Quidditch match that I thought of Snape as being evil.

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Wow! Good point, Eä. I've never thought to look at the movies in a non-comparison to the books, so I've always thought of Snape as evil [before OotP that is]. Wait a minute... isn't the potion classroom scene before that though? I always thought AR captured that taunting and teasing part of Snape very well there.

[you may continue the current discussion and add on some of the new topics/questions that I will be posting right now]

Philosopher's Stone - Chapter 8: The Potion's Master

Specific quotes--





Additions to physical appearance: cold, black eyes; long black cloak; "lips curled into a sneer"
Additions to personality traits: has authority; presence; sarcastic; bullying; very knowledgable

Discussion Topic/Questions:
- Snape shows unwarranted attention and cruelty toward Harry, who has done nothing, from the very beginning. Do you think his actions and especially, his first words toward Harry are justified considering the position we know him to be in by DH? Why or why not?
- Why do you think Snape shows favouritism toward his house? [Besides the fact that it is his house.]
- Now knowing importance of Lily's [and Harry's] eyes can we find any special meaning behind the fact that Harry stares into Snape's eyes? Can this only deepen the hatred that Snape feels for Harry?

News article + later discussions:
As JK Rowling makes her rounds in a book tour of the United States she was heard to comment on Snape's character. Please take a moment to read this article and think on it a bit, as it will be our next topic of discussion.



Going off of this quote:
- Compare and contrast Snape's motives [for that is ultimately what JKR is comparing] and Dumbledore's motives that contribute to the downfall of Voldemort.
[Ex. Snape spends the remainder of his life protecting Harry, whilst Dumbledore pulls strings for the "greater good" no matter the danger to Harry.]
- When Snape accuses Dumbledore of raising Harry as a "pig for the slaughter" do you agree? Can you sympathise with Snape at this moment? [Basically Snape has just found out that his protecting Harry has done nothing but prolong his ((Harry's)) death.]

Any other comments on this chapter? Questions?

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Aye, I think the potions class scene is between the feast and the Quidditch match in the movie too, but in the class room I just saw Snape as an unsympathetic teacher who likes bullying some students and favourise others... I think all schools have one or two of those. And it's a brilliant scene both on AR's part and the way Rowling has written it. There really isn't anything Harry can say that can't be used against him when the other part has already decided he must be taunted. Pity...
In the Quidditch scene I began thinking of the connection to Harry's scar and Snape and everything started to point only one direction - to Snape.

I'm gonna read through the new discussion questions later and reply.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I must agree to a certain extent with you. If I had not read the first book before I saw the movie I certainly would've seen Snape in that way. JKR does a brilliant job moving him from a bullying teacher into something a bit more detestable.

Do take your time on the discussion questions, etc. Some aren't very good I know, but I would like to discuss everything to the fullest.

I don't remember if I read the books first or watched the movie... I think the books came first but it's a very long time ago now, so the pictures from the movie pop up clearest in my mind.

And sorry for this short post. I just felt obliged to inform you that I'm still alive and working hard to find the appropriate time (aka any time at all) to post my answers to your questions.
I think it's interesting to hear Rowling's own interpretation on her books. Do you have the full article, Larael?

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No not at all, as long as I know you aren't bored to death by this discussion then I am happy. As for the article, that is the full of it. The rest was written by a Mugglenet staff member filling the reader in on what JKR was doing on her book tour.

Alright, let me give it a shot.

In the chapter we get to know Snape as a teacher with a tendency to favouritism. His first words to Harry simply emphasizes this character trait.
I'm not sure what you mean here "...considering the position we know him to be in by DH?"
If it's about Snape having suffered the teasing and bullying from James, Harry father, then yes. I understand why he treats Harry like he does.
If you are referring to the fact that Snape knows about Dumbledore's plan with Harry... no wait.. that's not what you mean...he wouldn't know about it at that point.. hmm... so yes, it is if not justified, then understandable in my opinion.
I see your point as why Snape would hate Harry even more because he has his mother's eyes, but I would never have picked up on it. You might be right and it is a nice connection but to me it is simply adding to the description of Harry's and Snape's relationship. I don't think Harry has any influence on how Snape judges him at this point, because Snape has decided to hate him already.

OMG Larael, you ask deep questions... I brain isn't exactly functioning to its fullest here on a Sunday morning when I came home from a party just a few hours ago.
My whort answer, yes I sympatise with Snape here and quite surprising... But basically DH is turning it all upside down. Rowling spends many pages reversing our entire viewpoint carefully built up over 5 books. She is playing with our minds and our ideas of the good and the bad in the series.
I don't believe they could have defeated Voldemort without Dumbledore and the way he acted out his plan. He was cunning and played much the same game as Voldemort, he acted for the greater good knowing he would waste some lives getting there but without his visions and intelligence it might have turned out worse, even to the victory of the dark side.
Larael, I would like to hear your own opinions on this since I can't squeeze more out of this now, but perhaps after seeing your views it'll help me see new perspectives.

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