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Post subject:  Posted: November 28th, 2007, 10:01 pm |
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That's right...  Lyra is eleven. Whoa. You're right, she does seem waaaay too mature.
I'm just worried that the bears will be to fakey in the movie. I love the bears... and if they screw up the bears, I will be one unhappy person. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 10:38 pm |
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Well in all honesty, how he writes doesn't bother me. I don't really pay attention to things like that. I think he's a better writer than Rowling, as there are very few scenes in HP that Harry doesn't actually witness, hence we the reader only see what Harry sees. Very annoying. With these books we're seeing aspects from everyone's point of view and getting a fuller picture of all sorts of things.
Nah. You've just had your eleventh birthday, found out you're a wizard, you manage to fight off the most evil person in wizarding history.... at least we know Lyra had spirit and character and she's a rough-and-tumble-fighting-girl.... Harry was just a downtrodeen scrawny kid who witnessed bad things and conquered evil.... so I don't find Lyra too unbelievable actually. It's like he made sure Lyra was already a tough character otherwise everything she saw and did would have made no sense. The same can be said of another character who appears in the second and third books.
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 11:00 pm |
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Rowling developed Harry as a rough-and-tumble kind of person too especially with his life with the Dursleys, but she still instilled some character in him that he himself has to discover.
I may prefer Rowling's style of writing mainly because she wrote it so well that the story kind of developed itself and the world built but it left the fans to the imagination of everything else outside of Harry view-point.
With Pullman, if he stuck to a third person limited, I think I would've liked the story-build better and I did like how the story started off. But then it started getting to some odd form of third person omniscient and it just ruined the feeling for me, because you're switching back and forth and I'm just thrown off keel.
With Rowling, she did some one or two chapters that weren't really at the point of view of Harry {Spinner's End, Dark Lord Ascending} it still held a bit of mystery to them and it wasn't much from what Harry knew anyways. It's just more exciting for me as a reader to go on an adventure if I didn't know the details that the third-person omniscient gave us.
What I'm saying is, this book would probably be better for me if it wasn't so predictable {and if Lyra was better developed and grew with the story}. Wouldn't hurt to remind the readers how long the adventure's been either!
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 11:15 pm |
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Hmmm... maybe, but I think Lyra has enough spirit and personality and at the same time, child-like wonder, to go on these adventures and at the moment (I don't know where you're up to) be pretty much unchanged by all she has seen.
True, yes. But I'd rather in some cases we the readers learn everything now, especially if we need to know them now. Pullman didn't have seven years in the life of his characters in which to plot storylines and only reveal uber important things, right at the last minute practically. His books are much more urgent, and I don't really think leaving lots of things to the readers imagination would have fit in with this trilogy really.
^ Yep, they were the scenes I was reffering to. And I liked those scenes because we were watching them play out as if we were just there, and not from Harry's point of view. That's also why I like the chapters that don't involve Lyra because we get to hear about other people's opinions of her and what they plan on doing next, and then when you go back to Lyra, you know something she doesn't know, and it's interesting in some cases to see what she's up to, and how her actions are going to affect the plans of others.
Predicatble? Hm, I wouldn't say it was that, I don't think. But that might just be me. Eh, I thought she was Ok really... haha, yes knowing how long had passed would have been nice, but so many books I read, they don't tell me, so that's why I go to Wiki!! 
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 11:23 pm |
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I'm about where all the kids escape from Bolvangar and Mrs. Coulter is trying to grab Lyra from the gyptians.
I must say, I didn't think I'd like Iorek very much but I <i>love</i> him now. And from what I saw in the movie previews, I'd probably really like him. It's the whole armor thing that I think's cool. 
And when do we get to see Lord Asriel again? Because we get to see a whopping like 10 pages of him in the book and that's it so far. He needs to beat up on some bears and escape from Svalbard or something because I wanna see what he does.
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 11:28 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: November 28th, 2007, 11:29 pm |
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Is he -really-?! You're kidding. Oh my gosh.
He's going to be better than I thought. YES! Hip hip horray for Ian McKellen!
Btw. Mrs. Coulter is in the running to stump Umbridge for most 'Aaaarrrrggghhhh!!!' female antagonist, EVER.
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Post subject: Posted: December 8th, 2007, 1:28 pm |
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Anyone seen it yet? I saw it last night.... I was dissapointed... majorly
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Post subject: Posted: December 8th, 2007, 3:15 pm |
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Yeah I agree. I can never understand why Pullman let them alter the movie so much.
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Post subject: Posted: December 8th, 2007, 10:51 pm |
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Question for those who've seen it:
Is there any mention on the Farder Coram/Serafina?
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Post subject: Posted: December 8th, 2007, 11:23 pm |
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Yes, there is.
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Post subject: Posted: December 8th, 2007, 11:28 pm |
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Yaaaay. [her shippery-nature is satisfied]
I shall look forward to the film.
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Post subject: Posted: December 9th, 2007, 2:13 pm |
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I really did like the fellow that played Lord Faa, I thought that he was cast perfectly, and he fit his role to a 't'.
And Pan was so cute, when he was a cat, I couldnt stop 'awww'ing... it was actually kind of pathetic.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2007, 7:18 pm |
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Oh Pan was DEFINITELY VERY cute. I wanted him for myself!!! Freddie Highmore is a talented boy.
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I have to say, it wasn't was good as I expected it to be but I think I was hoping that the film would save the book for me. Which is wrong. I do however, like the film better than the book. Lyra's characterization still bothered me but it was better. OMG Roger. I never even thought of Roger that much in the film, it didn't feel like Lyra was going to save Roger, but the movie definitely showed that Lyra was going to go save Roger and I absolutely loved their friendship. And near the end when he says, "You said you'd come and get me, well now you've got me." I AWW'D out loud and so did a few other people.
I was actually very surprised that they cut it off with them flying off into the north, basically ASKING for a sequel and Lyra's line, "I've got what he needs." to Roger was bone-chilling.
The BEST plus for the film was MRS. COULTER. She could not have been better casted. Nicole Kidman was brilliant and superb and I loved that the movie brought out her character better than the book. I felt Mrs. Coulter was a pretty static and awkward character in the book and although movie!Coulter is still menacing and cynical, she had that character build and the scene where she slaps her own daemon was a BEAUTIFUL touch. It made so much sense. Mrs. Coulter is definitely one of my favorite characters.
Lord Faa actually surprised me, I didn't get the impression that he was so tough in the book but it would make sense. I definitely wanted more Farder Coram and Farder Coram/Serafina Pekkala. More background on the witches would've been good, and if there weren't so much background on the bears, the stand-off between Iorek and the Bear-King would've been better.
I was surprised they cut out the point about how you cannot trick an armored bear, and Lyra managed to do it. I really liked how that worked and disappointed how they left that out entirely and how the Bear King was trying to make the bears "civilized".
Lee Scoresby was perfect to the T. Sam Elliott was amazing and so perfect as Lee Scoresby.
Overall, I give the film a B+.
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