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Post subject:  Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 7:19 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Well I spent nealy 2 years on the IMDB ROTK. Now, if you really want to see some bad opinions of a film you like. LOL!
LOL, IMDB is just troll-city if you ask me.  Most of the Prince Caspian board is a bunch of HP fans bashing Narnia for this or that reason and bragging that OotP was soooo much better. My personal opinion is that most of them are just scared out of their minds because their book series is over and their film series is ending in two movies, while the Narnia movies will (hopefully) continue for at least a decade and the books have been around for 50 years. But I digress...no offense to any Potter fans here, because I know you guys don't do things like that. 
Padawan, PD, and TT: Thanks!  I don't really care what the other people think of me anymore...I was too busy having fun.  I figure as long as they don't throw me out then I'm good. lol.
As far as Eustace goes, did you guys hear he's been cast for Dawn Treader?! Will Poulter is going to play him. I found a picture for you guys...
http://www.popcorn.co.uk/static/rambowinterview2.jpg
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 7:57 pm |
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^ Maybe grow the hair out some, but otherwise... fairly close to what I kind of imagine.
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 8:40 pm |
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@ Damson - Hope you get to see it! 
@ Eäryendë - I know. I have no problem with anyone disliking things I like, as long as they can explain sensibily why they dislike it.
Hmm. Well I do have a love-hate relationship thing going with HP. The books are good, but then they go downhill to the point of me not liking them anymore. However, I have never liked the films because I just couldn't accept such bad actors for the kids and just how much they had changed them and the massive plot details they left out, which now of course are a huge part of the coming films, so somehow they'll need to add it all back in. I think technically, Narnia are the better films and I also think adapaton wise, they are also the best, as they are more faithful and any new additions make more sense. They're not perfect, but they keep the spirit of the books more alive than HP.
I can't quite believe actually how little they have shown Aslan, and how little has been told about him. He should be way more mysterious and seen more as a wonderous being.
@ Anie - I know. I have done battle many times.
LOL! You could be right there. And guess what HP fans?! LOTR will live long after the HP films have ended. Muahauuahauha. It will be LOTR-mania all over again!! *evil laughter*
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Hmm. He's a little bit.. erm.. weird looking personally.  That haircut does nothing for him.
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 9:31 pm |
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*looks at piccy for a long time*
He looks like a Eustace, actually...
I think if he grows his hair out just a smidge, he'll be perfect... _________________  Secret Evil Twin of Aranel Faelwen .World Domination since 2008.
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 10:25 pm |
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On the VotDT imdb message boards, people keep talking about a Lucy/Caspian crush or something. Is that going to happen or are people just predicting?
Like I said there, I like the Lucy/Caspian ship, but in fanfiction, not in the movie. I don't want to see it in the movie. The age difference is way to much between Georgie and Ben. It would be very awkward.
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 10:37 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 11:48 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: One of my favourite parts of the series, was the mentioning of two characters - Shasta and Aravis - they became so used to arguing that they decided to get married so they could argue permenantly.
I love the Cor/Aravis (Shasta/Aravis) ship, and it's canon! Woot! Yeah, JF, I like the line about them arguing all the time, and they get married so as to go on doing it more conveniently.
“Aravis also had many quarrels (and, I’m afraid, even fights) with Cor, but they always made it up again: so that years later, when they were grown up, they were so used to quarrelling and making it up again that they got married so as to go on doing it more conveniently.”
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Post subject: Posted: July 2nd, 2008, 11:53 pm |
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*pats JF's head* There, there my dear. I have no answer to your question, as I'm actually wondering that myself. 
Where to begin? Where to begin? *sigh* First off, the Narnia movie series as a whole is one of the most successful, I think, in terms of adapting the book so that it remains true in nearly all ways. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter both adapted well enough to screen [the former a bit moreso than the latter], however they both have there moments where it makes book readers shake their heads and ask "Why?". That isn't to say they're not good movies. Narnia, to be honest, is a much simpler tale to tell. The books are shorter, and Lewis' style of writing makes for easy adaptation.
Out of the two Narnia movies so far, The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was my favourite. It was simple, beautiful, and innocent. A basic battle between good and evil. Prince Caspian, being darker in both book and movie, gave way to a more adult-like feel. I didn't like Peter's constant grouchiness and thirst to prove himself. Both he and Caspian were egotistical, and there always seemed to be a battle of strength going on between them, as though they were constantly sizing eachother up.
Edmund and Lucy, on the other hand, have changed dramatically. Actually, they've really become better characters in the movie as opposed to the direction Peter and Susan seem to be moving into. Susan especially bothered me. She wasn't entirely convincing to me, and her relationship with Caspian was something I think could've been left out. [I'll speak more on that specific topic later.]
Prince Caspian, on a whole, was not bad. His accent was appalling to begin with, but improved as time went on. I sometimes felt as though he was more eye candy than anything else. Sure, he can fight and make rousing speeches, but a lot of the time he stood in the background whilst everyone else rallied around.
The creatures of Narnia steal the show. Seriously. They had some of the best lines, and really brought out the good qualities from the first movie into light in the second. Even the hag and wereworlf [which were considerably more frightening than I expected] were well done.
Two more things to say, hang in there...
The entire seen with the White Witch was a cop out. I have never felt like a scene was entirely wrong than with this one. There is no Jadis in this particular book, nor is Peter tempted in any way. It was sickening to watch and I didn't care for that bit of creative liscensing at all.
Now for the bane of them all. If you are a Suspian fan, please cover your ears now.
All ready? Okay then... Oh.My.Gosh. C.S. Lewis was totally turning over in his grave at that part. I have never been so utterly disgusted by anything such as that in my entire life, and I'm a die-hard romantic people. Ugh. Who gave them liscence to do that? Just because you have two people at nearly the same age and of the opposite sex up there on screen doesn't mean you have to break out the kissing. Maybe it was meant to show what Susan is to become later on, but I just don't see it. Sure, it provided comic relief, but at what expense? To me, it completely ruined the moment. Peter and Susan are never coming back to Narnia and I don't think many people really, truly grasped that what with the Suspian kissing going on in the background. It just wasn't right.
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 12:09 am |
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@ Eäryendë - Definitely. I love that line. So witty. 
@ Larael - *has been patted* What question was that? It's been many posts since I posted my question I reckon, that I can't quite remember what it could be. XD
Wow.  Brilliant post.
I have to agree with you about the LOTR and HP adaptations (although I can't really have an opinion with LOTR as I haven't truly read the books). Agreed, the Narnia books are shorter and simpler to adapt so I can understand why they added more to the story and expanded the Narnian world. I actually wished they had focused more on the wonders of Narnia.
The Peter/Caspian ego battle was off putting and got in the way of the story too many times. I still don't think it was entirely beoynd belief that they could have looked at each other and been friends. It all started really when we didn't truly discover how much Caspian new about Old Narnia, and how much he wanted help from the Old Kings and Queens. It wasn't even mentioned to him that blowing the horn *might* call them back, until after the event.
*nods* Edmund and Lucy rock. They should have been in it much more as the two only sane children left in the films. Susan and Peter took a step backwards.
Yeah, I agree. He wasn't as bad as I expected, but as you say, I'd rather have had a stronger looking character over someone there for the fairer sex to drool over.
OMG YES! The Minotaurs rock my world! It was BRILLIANT to see them on *our* side and so many!! That's why I was heartbroken at what happen to Manny (as I called him) at the castle.  The animals were all pretty amazing actually. Except Aslan. They've lost the magic about him.
It looked pretty impressive I must admit. But I was astounded at how relatively simple calling her back was. (Admittedly, they don't often get the chance to grab some blood from a Son of Adam everyday). And as I said, it just proved what two power humgry weakinlings Caspian and Peter are, and how cool Edmund is.
I actually thought I saw some dead guy running out the cinema screaming. It must have been him. It was... astonishing that they couldn't get through a film with people of either sex on the screen without making something of it.... I don't think we needed all the hints of what Susan would become. Subtle references in the next film would have been enough. And as you said, it took the spotlight off the moment when we learn they can never go back again.
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Larael wrote: The entire seen with the White Witch was a cop out. I have never felt like a scene was entirely wrong than with this one. There is no Jadis in this particular book, nor is Peter tempted in any way. It was sickening to watch and I didn't care for that bit of creative liscensing at all.
Well, I can't totally hate that scene, because Edmund pwns in it. But other than that, it was a pointless scene.
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 12:57 am |
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Yes, and that's another thing, Edmund really stepped up this time. In a way he sort of took Peter's role from the first film in the way he kept a cool head. In short, he rocked my socks off.
I shall reply to you all more as soon as I've had a wink of shut eye. 
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 1:12 am |
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-mutter- That scene was OKAY. Edmund is my Narnia hero, so I couldnt help NOT hating it. This dosent make the movie likable More like bearable.
And I agree with JF on the whole romance thing. Its like theres nothing besides that... _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 3:38 am |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: @ Anie - I know. I have done battle many times.
LOL! You could be right there. And guess what HP fans?! LOTR will live long after the HP films have ended. Muahauuahauha. It will be LOTR-mania all over again!! *evil laughter*
*ahem*
Hmm. He's a little bit.. erm.. weird looking personally. That haircut does nothing for him. Ah yes. Congratulations, fellow survivor. *salutes* You see?!? You see?!? I knew you guys would understand!!  ...I have been hiding that particular suspicion for a long time, as I have no personal desire to be lynch-mobbed by Potter fans. Really? I like him for the part. But like Padawan said, he needs to grow his hair out a bit. (Oh, and the end of HaHB where they decide to get married because it's more convenient is one of my favorite parts too. ) Eäryendë wrote: On the VotDT imdb message boards, people keep talking about a Lucy/Caspian crush or something. Is that going to happen or are people just predicting?
Like I said there, I like the Lucy/Caspian ship, but in fanfiction, not in the movie. I don't want to see it in the movie. The age difference is way to much between Georgie and Ben. It would be very awkward.
Oh yes. I have heard that particular rumor. This is my opinion:
   
It will not be a pretty day in Ánië land if that rumor turns out to be true. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 11:41 am |
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That's sick and wrong. Lucy is a little girl, and Caspian is way to old for her. They shouldn't even be hinting at such a wrong relationship.
@ JF: That's exactly my point! The Narnia series is so easy to adapt that it gives them time to be creative and add things that may not have been seen in the books. The thing is, they always seem to take it a might too far. Why not include Aslan a bit more instead of clutching at straws in the romance department?
I mean, isn't that what happened in the book? Caspian knew, in the book, that he was the rightful king, but at the same time he respected the authority and opinion of the high kings and queens as well. The dissent between them just didn't allow the rest of the movie to flow smoothly enough. There was always an evident struggle between the two.
Oh, yes, I thought it was wonderful of them to bring back all the animals and make them for the side of good. It was nice to see them all united in such a way. Although it completely sucked what Peter and Caspian did at the castle. They were way over their heads on that one.
Blargh ickle. Someone needs to take these movies away from Disney and Walden Media and send them somewhere else where such romantic tendencies won't be so common. 
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As I've said before if only they could have bought the script from the BBC TV series and combined them modern effects, it would have been the most perfect film ever. All the BBC series lacked was the means to make everything more realistic. They kept completely faithful to the books and manged to make them all 2 hours plus!!
Aside from that, I can appreciate why they added more, and personally, I loved seeing more of Telemar and the people - it was like LOTR in as much as we saw more of another culture which was merely hinted at in the books.
It's like if Gandalf had only appeared now and then in LOTR. Or if he stood by and watch something happen which he could have prevented. It was always hinted at Gandalf's power but at the same time, his power was more subtle than blasting all the orcs to smithereens, thus saving Gondor. Aslan's kinda the same. But as my brother asked, why did he never appear when they needed him there and why did he let so many people die? Well as I said, the castle battle was never there, and when Aslan should have arrived with reinforcements, the battle had just started. *shrugs* Aslan was made to be weak in the films.
That's right. He knew all about the old Kings and Queens, and he badly wanted to see them and wanted them to come to his aid (bearing in mind Caspian should also have been 13 a bit younger than Peter). He was completely in awe of Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy when they arrived, and he was so grateful to them, they all got on really well, and didn't end up sacraficing their people because two of them argued over power all the time.
I think I could accept the castle battle and the defeat (but not the slaughter) if it wasn't evident that it was all the fault of Peter and Caspian. I still say, had they been friends and agreed to everything, they still could have gone to the castle anyway, but then it just went wrong. Narnians could still have died (as it was a battle) but not in the way which was clearly meant to say - this is all YOUR fault Peter/Caspian, look what YOU did.
And I can't get enthused about the director either. One of the big reasons he got the job was because he insisted on being faithful ....  .. this is the man who gave us the Shrek films AND wrote the story for the God awful Shrek 3. They need someone who treats the material with respect and doesn't add romance so teenage girls can squee and drool over.
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