I think both.

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Well, our current topic is which version of the story of Arwen's Evenstar we like better. Tolkien's original story or PJ's adaptation?

@Ashwise: Hmm, I generally like both stories as well, but I think the PJ one is my favourite. I mean I don't like the story of Arwen growing weaker and weaker and the Evenstar shattering, but basically I like it that PJ turned the Evenstar into a symbol of Arwen's love to Aragorn and gave it a special meaning this way.
In my opinion this adaptation is good way of expressing that Arwen gives up her immortality by deciding to bind herself to Aragorn and the Evenstar is something that underlines this decision for me and that should remind Aragorn of it. For me the key scenes are the Evenstar scene in FotR when Arwen gives the Evenstar and thus her life into Aragorn's hands and the TTT Farewell scene when she urges him, to keep the pendant maybe as some talisman.
I think in this case it has become something like a ring two lovers give to each other when they decide to engage and that's a nice meaning for such a beautiful pendant.

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^Sure, you're more than welcome to join. Have fun here in the club. *goes to add you to the member list*
Well, our current topic is which version of the story of Arwen's Evenstar we like better. Tolkien's original story or PJ's adaptation?

@Ashwise: Hmm, I generally like both stories as well, but I think the PJ one is my favourite. I mean I don't like the story of Arwen growing weaker and weaker and the Evenstar shattering, but basically I like it that PJ turned the Evenstar into a symbol of Arwen's love to Aragorn and gave it a special meaning this way.
In my opinion this adaptation is good way of expressing that Arwen gives up her immortality by deciding to bind herself to Aragorn and the Evenstar is something that underlines this decision for me and that should remind Aragorn of it. For me the key scenes are the Evenstar scene in FotR when Arwen gives the Evenstar and thus her life into Aragorn's hands and the TTT Farewell scene when she urges him, to keep the pendant maybe as some talisman.
I think in this case it has become something like a ring two lovers give to each other when they decide to engage and that's a nice meaning for such a beautiful pendant.

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Hrm I agree with you. Plus with PJ's version you are seeing it more clearly thus seeing is believing

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I think it's a bit sad that Arwen is hardly mentioned in the books. But I guess the Tale of Arwen and Aragorn is a kind of recompensation for the lack of Arwen in the original story. I've been trying to figure out how the first meeting of Arwen and Aragorn and the death scenes might have been depicted in the movies. It would have been interesting to see how they would have been adapted.

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Hmmm... well overall I like the book version of the story better. Although I agree that it is disappointing that Arwen is barely mentioned throughout the course of the normal story. So I do like that the movies incorporated it more, and I also love the significance of the Evenstar pendant.

And I agree, Rose- I would have loved to see how the first meeting of Arwen and Aragorn as well as the death scenes would have been adapted.

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I think that, as some of you have said, the Evenstar in the films was a way of showing the love between Aragorn and Arwen in a concrete way. Now, in the books you know Aragorn is thinking of Arwen constantly and vice-versa...but with movies, there's so much else going on that some people can't keep track of everything and need to be reminded of some of the important plot points. Thus we have the Evenstar, reminding all the non-Tolkien obsessed people why Aragorn's doing what he's doing.

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Hmm, I think PJ was considering to include the first meeting somehow. In the internet you find pics of a younger Arwen and a younger Aragorn. I don't know where he wanted to put that scene in, but it's a pity that it has been left out in the end.
Well, the Aragorn death scene Arwen sees in the vision in TTT is already that sad. I guess the real death scenes would have been really hearth-breaking...But it would also show how much Arwen had given up and much she endured to spend her life at Aragorn's side.



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Very wise explanation. I think that's basically why PJ included the Evenstar- as a reference point for his love story.

Do you think the Evenstar pendant might have become an heirloom of the House of Telcontar (for the movie version, of course )?

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Thank you, Rose! It's great to see you too!
Heh, thanks.

Hmm, I kind of like that idea! But then, since it's basically Arwen's life force (or at least that's how my LOTR-crazy friend explained it to me when I watched the movies for the first time), would it still be around after she had gone? I read a really beautiful, bittersweet fanfic once that suggested that Eldarion knew the exact moment when his mother died, because the Evenstar shattered... Although I like the idea of it being an heirloom in movieverse as well. That's actually a really neat idea!

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Jeez I've been away for a long time...Thankfully it seems I'm not the only one So, hi again ya guys!

Okay, if I've got this right you're talking about Arwen in both LotR movies and the book...Well, I think they both have they're good sides as well as the bad. I like that Arwen in the book is a strong woman who makes things happen for herself (I wonder if I'm saying this right?) but in the movie it's nice to see Arwen more v...(Omg! I can't remember the word in english so if anyone knows what 'haavoittuvainen' means than I wouldn't mind that person telling me^^ I'll put it here when I remember) and I think it shows more of her struggeling with her love for Aragorn.

(I have no idea if some one's said this before 'cause I'm lazy and don't have the energy to read your posts with thought...but I hope you don't mind )

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