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Post subject:  Posted: October 7th, 2007, 8:37 am |
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Aerlinniel ó Eressëa wrote: ^ You aren't rambling at all. I couldn't have said it that way, but that's exactly what I think about it too, 'O Wise RDM. Lol.  !   Well, it's nice that you think so. I'm happy that you agree with my "rambling" 
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 12:24 pm |
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*claps for RDM* Lovely explanation, I don't think you were rambling.  _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 12:44 pm |
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Calloniel (PD) wrote: well, thank you.  that really means a lot.... I didn't know if it came out the way I wanted it to or if it sounded right... now you guys are just making me blush... even more! Thank you again... Oh, that's quite fine! good luck with RL! Hmmm, that's a tough question... but I guess since I'm the first one to it I'll try to answer it as best I can.. (can't just cheat and say 'she said it perfectly! yes, that's how I feel too!'  lol) it might have. But I think mostly Aragorn just didn't have the feelings for Eowyn that he had for Arwen. He REALLY loved Arwen and unfortunately for Eowyn I think he only loved her as a sort of sister. So I think either way he would've chosen Arwen. Mortal or no. Thanks so much, dear! Well, your answers are really perfect and so I can only agree this time again with what you've said.  Ánië Súrion wrote: Oh, no, it's fine, Rose. It's good to see you again! There's a quote in the book somewhere that says something about that... *rifles through book* ...I can't find anything. Rawr.  But I thought there was some quote that said something about how Aragorn perceived Eowyn as a companion only and didn't think of her in a romantic sense. Like PD said, he loved Arwen so much that he could never have shoved her aside for another girl. (Actually, when all's said and done, I think Eowyn got the better end of the deal, but that's just my Faramir-fangirl talking. ) Thanks, dear! Hmm, I think I can't remember a quote, but that may be because it's already a few years ago that I've read LotR for the last time. It would be interesting indeed. RDM wrote: I might be just repeating what you guys have already said but I'm going to say my opinion anyway I think that Aragorn would've never been truly happy with Eowyn because his love for her was more of a brotherly kind and Eowyn's love for him was mostly love for glory and adventures. Even though Eowyn probably didn't realize it at that point. She probably realized it when she fell in love with Faramir. But Aragorn realized it immediately. And Aragorn also realized that he could never be happy with her like he could be with Arwen because their love was pure and true even though it demanded big sacrifices. I hope that you can make some kind of sense out of that. I'm just kind of rambling there Another great answer from you again, RDM! Perfectly said, that's exactly how I feel as well.
Well, I totally agree with all of you again concerning this discussion.
I think the point RDM mentions concerning Eowyn's longing for glory and adventures at Aragorn's side is stressed by the TTT movie when Aragorn and Eowyn have the "golden cage" talk and when Theoden tells her how happy he is for her that she fell in love with such a noble man. I think when Aragorn tells Eowyn why he rejects her love in RotK, he says it correctly by stressing that she would only love a shadow and thought of him and nothing more. In Arwen's and Aragorn's case their love is something deeper and more complete. _________________ ~The Dreamy A-U Gentlewoman~
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 2:18 pm |
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Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry.
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 2:56 pm |
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Eowyn deafintly got the best of the deal with Faramir!
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 3:34 pm |
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RDM wrote: I might be just repeating what you guys have already said but I'm going to say my opinion anyway I think that Aragorn would've never been truly happy with Eowyn because his love for her was more of a brotherly kind and Eowyn's love for him was mostly love for glory and adventures. Even though Eowyn probably didn't realize it at that point. She probably realized it when she fell in love with Faramir. But Aragorn realized it immediately. And Aragorn also realized that he could never be happy with her like he could be with Arwen because their love was pure and true even though it demanded big sacrifices. I hope that you can make some kind of sense out of that. I'm just kind of rambling there wow, you said it perfectly, RDM! Lovely! that wasn't rambling at all. Rose of Rivendell wrote: Thanks so much, dear! Well, your answers are really perfect and so I can only agree this time again with what you've said. Well, I totally agree with all of you again concerning this discussion. I think the point RDM mentions concerning Eowyn's longing for glory and adventures at Aragorn's side is stressed by the TTT movie when Aragorn and Eowyn have the "golden cage" talk and when Theoden tells her how happy he is for her that she fell in love with such a noble man. I think when Aragorn tells Eowyn why he rejects her love in RotK, he says it correctly by stressing that she would only love a shadow and thought of him and nothing more. In Arwen's and Aragorn's case their love is something deeper and more complete. you're welcome! well, thank you! that means a lot.... again  aye, that is totally right. Aragorn and Arwen were just perfect for each other.... there love was pure and deep. btw, I LOVE your icons, Rose!  When I first saw them I just about died! They are simply gorgeous! Wow… Just wow! Ashwise wrote: Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry.
hm, really? where'd you read that? sounds interesting.... although I think I'm happy with the way it came out. _________________ Chase a couple hearts, we could leave 'em in shreds
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Post subject: Posted: October 7th, 2007, 5:24 pm |
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Ashwise wrote: Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry. hm, really? where'd you read that? sounds interesting.... although I think I'm happy with the way it came out. [/quote]
It was on one of the topic discussions. _________________ Faith isn't the ability to believe long and far into the misty future.
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Post subject: Posted: October 10th, 2007, 5:38 am |
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Ánië Súrion wrote: *claps for RDM* Lovely explanation, I don't think you were rambling. Rose of Rivendell wrote: Another great answer from you again, RDM! Perfectly said, that's exactly how I feel as well. You're right about the fact that I probably was unconsciously thinking about that "golden cage" scene from TTT movie and the scene from RotK where Aragorn rejects Eowyn. Calloniel (PD) wrote: wow, you said it perfectly, RDM! Lovely! that wasn't rambling at all. Well. It seems that you guys get my answers and thoughts much better than my friends Ashwise wrote: Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry.
I think I remember reading that from...I don't know where. I think that the way the it finally came out was much better.
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Post subject: Posted: October 11th, 2007, 8:03 pm |
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Ashwise wrote: Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry.
Really?  That's so depressing!  I'd heard somewhere that Aragorn was originally meant to end up with Eowyn, and that Eowyn originally died at Pelennor Fields, but somehow I never connected the two.  That might be in The Treason of Isengard, the History of M-e book 7, actually. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: October 11th, 2007, 10:12 pm |
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^that's really weird how a story can change so much, isn't it? I mean I know that a LOT of the time a writer goes back and can change as much as three fourths of his novel, but I can't imagine a LotR story that much different from the final draft. I still have to say I like Aragorn/Arwen and I wouldn't give it up for any other LotR ship... although I would've hated to see Eowyn die. 
RDM wrote: Calloniel (PD) wrote: wow, you said it perfectly, RDM! Lovely! that wasn't rambling at all. Well. It seems that you guys get my answers and thoughts much better than my friends hm, yeah, I got it perfectly. _________________ Chase a couple hearts, we could leave 'em in shreds
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Post subject: Posted: October 12th, 2007, 8:43 pm |
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I heard about that too.
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Post subject: Posted: October 13th, 2007, 9:46 am |
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Ashwise wrote: Did anyone know that Tolkien orginally wrote for Aragorn to fall in love with Eowyn and that she was supposed to die and he would never marry. No, I haven't known that. I think that would have been a very sad fate for Aragorn. I'm glad that Tolkien finally changed the story and let him marry Arwen. Calloniel (PD) wrote: you're welcome! well, thank you! that means a lot.... again aye, that is totally right. Aragorn and Arwen were just perfect for each other.... there love was pure and deep. btw, I LOVE your icons, Rose! When I first saw them I just about died! They are simply gorgeous! Wow… Just wow! You're welcome as well. And thanks so much! I'm happy to hear that you like them that much. RDM wrote: You're right about the fact that I probably was unconsciously thinking about that "golden cage" scene from TTT movie and the scene from RotK where Aragorn rejects Eowyn.
Well, I think these two scenes are the best ones for describing the whole Aragorn/ Eowyn relationship. They bring everything to a point. And I really know the feeling that people whom you meet online sometimes understand you better than your RL-friends. I've already experienced that as well. Ánië Súrion wrote: Really? That's so depressing! I'd heard somewhere that Aragorn was originally meant to end up with Eowyn, and that Eowyn originally died at Pelennor Fields, but somehow I never connected the two. That might be in The Treason of Isengard, the History of M-e book 7, actually. Really? Then I'll have to look for that book. I really like the A/A version better, but I would be interested when Tolkien decided to changed A/E to A/A and why he did it finally... Calloniel (PD) wrote: ^that's really weird how a story can change so much, isn't it? I mean I know that a LOT of the time a writer goes back and can change as much as three fourths of his novel, but I can't imagine a LotR story that much different from the final draft. I still have to say I like Aragorn/Arwen and I wouldn't give it up for any other LotR ship... although I would've hated to see Eowyn die. You're totally right. A/A forever!
Hmm, do you think that Aragorn would have ever married another woman apart from Arwen? I don't mean necessarily the Aragorn/ Eowyn debate, but just someone different in general. What if Arwen had finally gone into the West? Do you think he could have ever loved another woman the way he did love her? _________________ ~The Dreamy A-U Gentlewoman~
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Post subject: Posted: October 13th, 2007, 10:45 pm |
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Rose of Rivendell wrote: You're welcome as well. And thanks so much! I'm happy to hear that you like them that much. you're welcome! yes, I really do like them! If I was the stealing type I'd totally steal them!   but since I'm not I'll just admire them "on" you. Rose of Rivendell wrote: You're totally right. A/A forever! Hmm, do you think that Aragorn would have ever married another woman apart from Arwen? I don't mean necessarily the Aragorn/ Eowyn debate, but just someone different in general. What if Arwen had finally gone into the West? Do you think he could have ever loved another woman the way he did love her? Aye! *raises a mug to A/A*
the questions just get harder and harder! ummm, Aragorn might have. But I think Aragorn was pretty dedicated to Arwen... so, yes, maybe if she had really left Middle-earth he may have found another girl but I think there would always be a part of him thinking about Arwen and really loving her. (and then with Arwen... well, if she had left I think she would've lived in total regret forever and never really gotten over Aragorn) _________________ Chase a couple hearts, we could leave 'em in shreds
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Post subject: Posted: October 14th, 2007, 8:24 am |
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Rose of Rivendell wrote: Hmm, do you think that Aragorn would have ever married another woman apart from Arwen? I don't mean necessarily the Aragorn/ Eowyn debate, but just someone different in general. What if Arwen had finally gone into the West? Do you think he could have ever loved another woman the way he did love her?
Gosh. That's a really hard question. Well... I think that Aragorn could've gotten married with someone else than Arwen but only if he hadn't met her at all. I don't think that he would've let go of his love for her even if she would've left. And he probably wouldn't have been able to love any other woman the same way he loved Arwen and he isn't the kind of man who would get married with someone if he wasn't deeply in love with her especially because he would've realized that it wouldn't be fair to that woman.
(I hope that my English was good enough for this message...well, you probably get my point anyway  )
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Post subject: Posted: October 14th, 2007, 1:15 pm |
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I feel sullied and unusual...PD and RDM, y'all are too fast and coherent. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: October 14th, 2007, 4:45 pm |
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^Ah, at least you tried. _________________
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