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PostPosted: November 24th, 2006, 12:03 pm 
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I love being schooled by mods.
As wierd asit sounds, I like bieng slapped in the face by Mods (if you're reading this Kit, I'm sure you can ecall acertain Raoul/Poto moment in history)
You're right Nienor, I had no idea he was 15 when he wrote, I actually don't think he's too bad as a writer, like I said before. I personally think he writes with really well, without over doing it, or trying to be like Tolkien.
Like he uses big words and stuff, but only to a certain degree of comfort, where it doesnt look like hes trying too hard.

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I enjoyed Tolkien's world of hobbits, elves, and dwarves, and the epic quest of the ring. Like Tolkien, I also drew inspiration from Nordic, Old English, and Icelandic sagas.


Funny, I thought Tolkien drew from those sagas first and then Paolini took what he liked from that :) Namely, LotR and the Sil. Well...I don't know....I'm fifteen and I'm pretty sure I could write a novel if I tried...

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Well Eragon isn't entirely like LotR. It's mainly just the names and the actual time of the story. The plot is completely original and I think it's really interesting and pretty good... you can't really blame the guy because his books seemed like Tolkien's; Tolkien was a very good writer and he incorperated nearly every mythical creature and ideas in his books (well, Anglo Saxon mainly?), which makes it practically impossible for every fantasy author to not have a plot or idea similar to Tolkien's.

Sure, the names and settings are almost like LotR's, but the plot is what you should be paying attention to, and that is nothing like LotR.

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Well, there is the whole Arya/Eragon thing that is pretty darn reminiscent of Arwen/Aragorn (I mean, come on, their names even sound the same) but you're right - the plot isn't copying LotR. It's copying Star Wars!

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-The concept that a “good” character turns “evil” (Morzan/Anakin) after a great loss (dragon/Amidala (or, alternatively, Anakin’s mother)
-The concept of a mother (Selena/Amidala) having two children (Murtagh & Eragon/Leia & Luke) who are separated and meet later under difficult circumstances.
-The concept that a poor farm boy (Eragon/Luke) has a greater heritage than he realizes (Morzan/Anakin)
-The concept that a poor farm boy (Eragon/Luke) lives with a close relative (Uncle Garrow/Uncle Owen) because of his mother’s premature death
-The concept that, just before capture, a princess (Arya/Leia) sends something (Dragon Egg/R2D2) far away to protect something (Saphira/recording).
-The concept that a poor farm boy (Eragon/Luke) picks up said something while doing regular work (hunting/trading)
-The idea that a poor farm boy loses his uncle (Uncle Garrow/Uncle Owen) to the hands of "the Empire"
-The passing on of a weapon (Zar’roc/lightsaber) from father to son (Morzan & Eragon/Anakin & Luke) through another source (Brom/Obi Wan Kenobi)
-The concept of a wise old man who is among the last of a declining resistance (Brom/Obi Wan Kenobi) teaching the descendant of a once-friend-now-rival (Morzan/Anakin)
-The concept of a group of "good" rebels bent on destroying "the Empire"
-The concept of an initial battle (Battle of Farthen Dur/Battle of the Death Star) which is ultimately won
-The concept of a new teacher (Oromis/Yoda) who takes the place of the old one (Brom/Obi Wan) under certain circumstances and present also lessons of philosophy
-Father/Son Revelations


That's from a web page Arwen posted a while back, I didn't make it up :)

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Well they're not supposed to be together and they're not DEEPLY in love. Aragorn and Arwen were together for like.. literally ages. Whereas Arya and Eragon's "love" are completely different. Eragon isnt supposed to love her because she distracts him form the path of a Rider. Also Eragon should be with a Rider because Saphira needs a mate too.

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Well you know...Arya's magic is green...and there's one more egg that hasn't hatched yet...and IT'S green...so personally, I have my own shrewd suspicions about the third book, if you know what I mean ;)

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^Yeah there's a thought.

I was looking at the elvish names on AU, and did you know the elvish name for Arya is Arwen? :lol:


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You're kidding! That is too funny!

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Yeah, I wonder if that is how you got Arya's name.


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Well, it seems a bit too coincidental to me, you know? I mean, with all her other similarities...how likely is it that Arya just HAPPENS to translate to Arwen?

And as an aside - there's an island WAY up in northern Canada, I think inside the Arctic Circle, called Ellesmere Island. Thought I'd add that, it seemed interesting.

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Ellesmera...hah...

I know this so not Eragon like, but there's a sea called The Caspian Sea, a real sea, and ta-da..Prince Caspian! :D


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*is a ninny* yaaaay :p

Ok, as I've said, I do like the Inheritance books. A lot. I cannot repeat that enough. I like them, I like them, I like them. I admire CP for writing Eragon at the ripe old age of 15 - I know I couldn't have done it at that age, and still couldn't. I think a lot of his plot lines are original, too.

However, take a look at the list of "similar" names between LotR and Inheritance. There is NO way CP found all of those names by simply referring to all the same texts Tolkien drew on. In the same interview where CP didn't answer the Tolkien question, he said that what he does with what inspires him is he takes what he likes, tosses the rest, and mixes it all together. Now if he were just taking a few subtle elements, that would be fine; I think all authors do that, at least subconsciously. But he's NOT taking subtle things. A lot of the names in particularl are "Oh, that sounds like a cool name, I'll add/change a letter here and make it mine!" And even though I agree that it's a smart practical move for him not to gush over how much Tolkien inspired him, I think if he didn't want people to yell at him for some overt similarities, he shouldn't have borrowed that much material in the first place.

*ahem* and after reading 4 1/3 books in the Wheel of Time series, I say that Robert Jordan isn't a bad author at all... :erm: He has some fragments, but they work to move the story along.

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Thats how one time I found a nice username for myself. I was looking at the Sil, and saw the land Eressea, so I changed the E to a A and formed-Aressea


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That IS a cool username, TN! :) But I don't think if someone asked you how you came up with it, you'd say "I enjoy Tolkien, but I simply drew off the same sources as he did to come up with it" :dizzy: At least, I hope not :teehee:

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*is a ninny* yaaaay :p

Ok, as I've said, I do like the Inheritance books. A lot. I cannot repeat that enough. I like them, I like them, I like them. I admire CP for writing Eragon at the ripe old age of 15 - I know I couldn't have done it at that age, and still couldn't. I think a lot of his plot lines are original, too.

However, take a look at the list of "similar" names between LotR and Inheritance. There is NO way CP found all of those names by simply referring to all the same texts Tolkien drew on. In the same interview where CP didn't answer the Tolkien question, he said that what he does with what inspires him is he takes what he likes, tosses the rest, and mixes it all together. Now if he were just taking a few subtle elements, that would be fine; I think all authors do that, at least subconsciously. But he's NOT taking subtle things. A lot of the names in particularl are "Oh, that sounds like a cool name, I'll add/change a letter here and make it mine!" And even though I agree that it's a smart practical move for him not to gush over how much Tolkien inspired him, I think if he didn't want people to yell at him for some overt similarities, he shouldn't have borrowed that much material in the first place.


YES! I agree 100%! *claps*

Except that I personally believe I could write that well. Before you all assume I have a hopeless ego (me? have an ego?... that sounds so ridiculous it's not even funny) let me explain. I've been writing since I was 6 and been making up stories since I was like 3. I've won several writing competitions against other teenagers, and a lot of people seem to think that I'm gifted in that area. I personally don't believe them much... :teehee: but I do think I can write at least as well as CP.

Anyway... *coughs*

Does anyone know if Eragon's rated yet? :whistle: Last time I checked, I couldn't figure out what it's rated.

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Don't think it's been rated yet...I'm betting it'll be PG-13 though, just for fantasy violence and such.

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